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Imagine the leader of a global superpower announcing a plan for removing an entire ethnic group from a territory they’ve long inhabited. Neighboring states would have to make land available to that superpower to resettle the displaced peoples. The refugees would “have their own administration in this territory” but they would “not acquire … citizenship” since any “sense of responsibility towards the world” would forbid making “the gift of a sovereign state” to a people “which has had no independent state for thousands of years.”

No, the plan described in brief here is not President Donald Trump’s Gaza plan, proposing a United States takeover of Gaza and mass relocation of its Palestinian population. It is the so-called “Madagascar Plan,” devised by Nazi Germany in 1940 to “resettle” European Jews.

That plan was the Third Reich’s final major proposal for removing the Jews from the Greater Germanic Reich Adolf Hitler envisioned in Mein Kampf prior to the “Final Solution” — the indiscriminate shootings of Jewish men, women, and children on the Eastern Front, leading to mass killings in death camps and gas chambers in late 1941. In that history lies a warning: Plans for the mass relocation of a population seen as troublesome or dangerous can rapidly devolve into the loss of sovereignty, of human and civil rights, and, eventually, ethnic cleansing.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Looks like Israel just got an excuse to shift the blame to Trump, as if they haven’t been the ones behaving exactly like Nazis for so long now.

[–] SinningStromgald 24 points 3 days ago

It is exactly what Bibi has been looking for. No more Palestinians and foreign investor come in and clean up the mess and develop it? Win win win for Israel. Because major news has the attention span of a methed up toddler all the war crimes will quickly be forgotten by its consumers.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nation founded by Nazis and Nazi collaborators acts like Nazis even if they're (allegedly) Jewish.

Shocking!

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

They're not allegedly Jewish. They are Jewish. I say that as a Jew. I'm not going to ~~apologize~~ make excuses for Jews who do terrible things. My issue is they (and a lot of bigots) try to say I'm on their side.

Jews aren't special, despite what the Torah might say. We can be as good or as evil as any other humans.

Unfortunately, there are a bunch of evil Jews running Israel and making it harder for the rest of us.

Edit: I hadn't finished my morning tea when I wrote that, sorry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not even in Israel, all Jews agree with how things are handled by the government (and I'm well aware that Israel isn't all Jews, but also various Arab ethnicities).

Just because a person is Jewish doesn't mean they need to justify why they oppose the government of Israel. I'm not pressing Christians here either about whether they oppose the actions of the Trump administration which is heavily influenced by evangelicals. But this is unfortunately where Antisemitism kicks in: it's the thinking that Jews are a kind of global cabal, and everyone living in diaspora is a kind of agent. So they're responsible for any bad actions done by Jews anywhere.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 2 days ago

Definitely. And to some people, it doesn't matter how much and how often I denounce Israel and do whatever I can to help Palestinians, I am a Zionist. And that is, in large part, Israel's fault. Because they want everyone to think that. So, to an extent, I can forgive someone who claims that.

But people who insist it even after I let them know that I am not in any way a Zionist or support Israel in any capacity... fuck those people. I don't blame Israel for that. They're just bigots looking for an excuse to be bigoted.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

fair enough. i was coming from the perspective of the rabbi i'm in community with teaching that central to the jewish identity is speaking out against the opressor, and there's absolutely no way you can say that's what the governance of israel does

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 2 days ago

Rabbis do not speak for all Jews. They only speak for themselves. What they consider central the the Jewish identity doesn't even match what's in the Old Testament considering how many conquering kings they were. Plus the slavery.

To claim that speaking out against the oppressor is core to your identity when your supposedly holy ancestors kept slaves is fucking ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

Nazis and Zionists > Jews must leave Europe and go to Palestine

Zionists > Palestinians must leave Palestine and go somewhere else

seems to be a pattern here

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

And the Nazis got their ideas from America, It's come full circle.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ah, the colonial playbook never gathers dust—just gets rebranded. Trump’s Gaza relocation fantasy taps into the same displace-and-erase logic as the Madagascar farce, swapping one marginalized group for another while geopolitical puppeteers cash checks. History’s greatest hits on repeat, but this time with TikTok diplomacy and AI-generated talking points.

The outrage circus rolls into town, media megaphones blaring faux shock while algorithms feast on clicks. Performative condemnation fuels the machine, ensuring no one notices the rubble of accountability buried beneath hashtags. Democracy’s autopsy report cites cause of death: irony poisoning.

Lemmy’s echo chamber will either canonize or crucify this take—both outcomes equally meaningless. The real game? Distraction. While keyboard warriors duel over semantics, the oligarchs’ bulldozers idle in neutral, waiting for the next crisis to justify their concrete.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

The jewish state is also something that the nazis planned at first.

[–] kokesh 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Well, the jewish nazi state is going for this for many years. Fuck israel and The Orange Cunt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Fuck everyone in power at this point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

The pay it forward on this is mind blowing. Unsurprising, given that humans are involved, but even so.

Ethnic group experiences ethnic cleansing. Is forcefully given land by 2 countries steeped in colonialism and ethnic cleansing. Ensuing years is supported by those 2 countries and learns at their knees. Generation of those who experienced and saved those people from ethnic cleansing die. This generation engages ethnic cleansing on a new “other” with new colonialism vibes.

Which isn’t to say Hamas didn’t have assholes. The pattern though.