this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2025
93 points (93.5% liked)

196

1965 readers
2473 users here now

Community Rules

You must post before you leave

Be nice. Assume others have good intent (within reason).

Block or ignore posts, comments, and users that irritate you in some way rather than engaging. Report if they are actually breaking community rules.

Use content warnings and/or mark as NSFW when appropriate. Most posts with content warnings likely need to be marked NSFW.

Most 196 posts are memes, shitposts, cute images, or even just recent things that happened, etc. There is no real theme, but try to avoid posts that are very inflammatory, offensive, very low quality, or very "off topic".

Bigotry is not allowed, this includes (but is not limited to): Homophobia, Transphobia, Racism, Sexism, Abelism, Classism, or discrimination based on things like Ethnicity, Nationality, Language, or Religion.

Avoid shilling for corporations, posting advertisements, or promoting exploitation of workers.

Proselytization, support, or defense of authoritarianism is not welcome. This includes but is not limited to: imperialism, nationalism, genocide denial, ethnic or racial supremacy, fascism, Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, etc.

Avoid AI generated content.

Avoid misinformation.

Avoid incomprehensible posts.

No threats or personal attacks.

No spam.

Moderator Guidelines

Moderator Guidelines

  • Don’t be mean to users. Be gentle or neutral.
  • Most moderator actions which have a modlog message should include your username.
  • When in doubt about whether or not a user is problematic, send them a DM.
  • Don’t waste time debating/arguing with problematic users.
  • Assume the best, but don’t tolerate sealioning/just asking questions/concern trolling.
  • Ask another mod to take over cases you struggle with, if you get tired, or when things get personal.
  • Ask the other mods for advice when things get complicated.
  • Share everything you do in the mod matrix, both so several mods aren't unknowingly handling the same issues, but also so you can receive feedback on what you intend to do.
  • Don't rush mod actions. If a case doesn't need to be handled right away, consider taking a short break before getting to it. This is to say, cool down and make room for feedback.
  • Don’t perform too much moderation in the comments, except if you want a verdict to be public or to ask people to dial a convo down/stop. Single comment warnings are okay.
  • Send users concise DMs about verdicts about them, such as bans etc, except in cases where it is clear we don’t want them at all, such as obvious transphobes. No need to notify someone they haven’t been banned of course.
  • Explain to a user why their behavior is problematic and how it is distressing others rather than engage with whatever they are saying. Ask them to avoid this in the future and send them packing if they do not comply.
  • First warn users, then temp ban them, then finally perma ban them when they break the rules or act inappropriately. Skip steps if necessary.
  • Use neutral statements like “this statement can be considered transphobic” rather than “you are being transphobic”.
  • No large decisions or actions without community input (polls or meta posts f.ex.).
  • Large internal decisions (such as ousting a mod) might require a vote, needing more than 50% of the votes to pass. Also consider asking the community for feedback.
  • Remember you are a voluntary moderator. You don’t get paid. Take a break when you need one. Perhaps ask another moderator to step in if necessary.

founded 2 weeks ago
MODERATORS
 

image description (contains clarifications on background elements)Lots of different seemingly random images in the background, including some fries, mr. crabs, a girl in overalls hugging a stuffed tiger, a mark zuckerberg "big brother is watching" poser, two images of fluttershy (a pony from my little pony) one of them reading "u only kno my swag, not my lore", a picture of parkzer parkzer from the streamer "dougdoug" and a slider gameplay element from the rhythm game "osu". The background is made light so that the text can be easily read. The text reads:

i wanna know if we are on the same page about ai.
if u diagree with any of this or want to add something,
please leave a comment!
smol info:
- LM = Language Model (ChatGPT, Llama, Gemini, Mistral, ...)
- VLM = Vision Language Model (Qwen VL, GPT4o mini, Claude 3.5, ...)
- larger model = more expensivev to train and run
smol info end
- training processes on current AI systems is often
clearly unethical and very bad for the environment :(
- companies are really bad at selling AI to us and
giving them a good purpose for average-joe-usage
- medical ai (e.g. protein folding) is almost only positive
- ai for disabled people is also almost only postive
- the idea of some AI machine taking our jobs is scary
- "AI agents" are scary. large companies are training
them specifically to replace human workers
- LMs > image generation and music generation
- using small LMs for repetitive, boring tasks like
classification feels okay
- using the largest, most environmentally taxing models
for everything is bad. Using a mixture of smaller models
can often be enough
- people with bad intentions using AI systems results
in bad outcome
- ai companies train their models however they see fit.
if an LM "disagrees" with you, that's the trainings fault
- running LMs locally feels more okay, since they need
less energy and you can control their behaviour
I personally think more positively about LMs, but almost
only negatively about image and audio models.
Are we on the same page? Or am I an evil AI tech sis?

IMAGE DESCRIPTION END


i hope this doesn't cause too much hate. i just wanna know what u people and creatures think <3

(page 2) 20 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What does "AI for disabled people" entail? A lot of 'good AI' things I see are things I wouldn't consider AI, e.g. VLC's local subtitle generation.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Smorty!!!!
Thank you for this conversation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i don think i understand your comment...

or maybe that's the point?

or maybe ur making a funi joke about u being an AI assistant?
If so:
haha lol that's so hilarious<|endoftext|><|endoftext|><|endoftext|><|endoftext|><|fim_prefix|>func get_length(vec1:Vector2) -> float:\n<|fim_suffix|> return length\n\nyea i like LMs kinda a smol bit and like experimenting with em a lot, cuz it's kinda fun to test their capabilities and such

if not: pls explain <3

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honest question, how does AI help disabled people, or which kinds of disabilities?

One of the few good uses I see for audio AI is translation using the voice of the original person (though that'd deal a significant blow to dubbing studios)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

fair question. i didn't think that much about what i meant by that, but here's the obvious examples

  • image captioning using VLMs, including detailed multi-turn question answering
  • video subtitles, already present in youtube and VLC apparently

i really should have thought more about that point.

[–] Skullgrid 2 points 1 day ago

pretty balanced take

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In my experience, the best uses have been less fact-based and more "enhancement" based. For example, if I write an email and I just feel like I'm not hitting the right tone, I can ask it to "rewrite this email with a more inviting tone" and it will do a pretty good job. I might have to tweak it, but it worked. Same goes for image generation. If I already know what I want to make, I can have it output the different elements I need in the appropriate style and piece them together myself. Or I can take a photograph that I took and use it to make small edits that are typically very time consuming. I don't think it's very good or ethical for having it completely make stuff up that you will use 1:1. It should be a tool to aid you, not a tool to do things for you completely.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't see how AI is inherently bad for the environment. I know they use a lot of energy, but if the energy comes from renewable sources, like solar or hydroelectric, then it shouldn't be a problem, right?

[–] Zangoose 2 points 1 day ago

The problem is that we only have a finite amount of energy. If all of our clean energy output is going toward AI then yeah it's clean but it means we have to use other less clean sources of energy for things that are objectively more important than AI - powering homes, food production, hospitals, etc.

Even "clean" energy still has downsides to the environment also like noise pollution (impacts local wildlife), taking up large amounts of space (deforestation), using up large amounts of water for cooling, or having emissions that aren't greenhouse gases, etc. Ultimately we're still using unfathomably large amounts of energy to train and use a corporate chatbot trained on all our personal data, and that energy use still has consequences even if it's "clean"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i kinda agree. currently many places still use oil for engery generation, so that kinda makes sense.

but if powered by cool solar panels and cool wind turbine things, that would be way better. then it would only be down to the production of GPUs and the housing.

[–] Zangoose 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also cooling! Right now each interaction from each person using chatGPT uses roughly a bottle's worth of water per 100 words generated (according to a research study in 2023). This was with GPT-4 so it may be slightly more or slightly less now, but probably more considering their models have actually gotten more expensive for them to host (more energy used -> more heat produced -> more cooling needed).

Now consider how that scales with the amount of people using ChatGPT every day. Even if energy is clean everything else about AI isn't.

load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›