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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/25355693

Greetings!

A friend of mine wants to be more secure and private in light of recent events in the USA.

They originally told me they were going to use telegram, in which I explained how Telegram is considered compromised, and Signal is far more secure to use.

But they want more detailed explanations then what I provided verbally. Please help me explain things better to them! ✨

I am going to forward this thread to them, so they can see all your responses! And if you can, please cite!

Thank you! ✨

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

technically, Telegram does support end to end encryption but it's not activated by default, so every discussion is saved in clear text on servers accessible by Russian authorities.

When you activate the encryption, you have to forego basic features like push notifications, it's made ever so slightly less useful to make you not really want it.

Signal on the other hand is fully encrypted by default and run by a non-profit organization. Their code is open source and can be audited.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Telegram's official documentation tells their unpaid volunteer workers to discourage people from using E2EE: https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

I really don't understand them why - as far as I read - why it became the defacto app for CP. It's a great thing for the authorities to have achieved. Bravo.

[–] kitnaht 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

So on the push notification thing -- If you get push notifications without using a third party push notification server, Apple and Google log the notifications and police can issue warrants for them. So IF for any reason you use Signal, make sure the contents of the message are turned off for Push Notifications.

[–] dukethorion 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The notification that goes through the Push server is empty. It simply tells Signal to check its own server. G and A don't see the message content at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago
[–] breadsmasher 2 points 22 hours ago

telegram is russian. i dont trust russian.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

https://www.securemessagingapps.com/

This is a decent resource on some technical differences, however I don't know how up to date it is

There may have been further changes after the arrest last summer

https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/26/what-is-telegram-why-has-founder-pavel-durov-been-arrested