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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/53805638

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good. Nvidia has grown greedy and fat.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Try asking DeepSeek something about Xi Jinping. "Sorry, it's beyond my current scope' :-) Wondering why even it cannot cite his official party biography :-)

[–] SoftestSapphic 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

It's easy to mod the software to get rid of those censors

Part of why the US is so afraid is because anyone can download it and start modding it easily, and because the rich make less money

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Try asking ChatGPT if Israel is committing genocide and watch it do the magical Hasbara dance around the subject.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So, I get that the hardware is needed for training the models and that's why the stock price fell. But it's also required to run the models, and this news is only going to increase the supply of AI services. It seems to me that this isn't a big threat to the companies that sell AI hardware.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With the amount governments seem to be on the AI train I'm becoming more and more worried about the fall out when the hype bubble does burst. I'm really hoping it comes sooner rather than later.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's fun seeing these companies take a hit and the bubble deflate, but long term won't this just make AI a more alluring form of enshittification to a wider audience?

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[–] thespcicifcocean 11 points 1 week ago (9 children)

nvidia falling doesn't make much sense to me, GPUs are still needed to run the model. Unless Nvidia is involved in its own AI model or something?

[–] Jhex 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

DeepSeek proved you didn't need anywhere near as much hardware to train or run an even better AI model

Imagine what would happen to oil prices if a manufacturer comes out with a full ice car that can run 1000 miles per gallon... Instead of the standard American 3 miles per 1.5 gallons hehehe

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

more efficient use of oil will lead to increased demand, and will not slow the arrival or the effects of peak oil.

Energy demand is infinite and so is the demand for computing power because humans always want to do MORE.

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[–] Reygle 10 points 1 week ago

Good. Let's keep this ball rolling.

[–] A_A 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Some things to learn in here ? :
https://github.com/deepseek-ai
Large-scale reinforcement learning (RL) ?

chat (requires login via email or Google...)Chat with DeepSeek-R1 on DeepSeek's official website: chat.deepseek.com, and switch on the button "DeepThink"


aha moments (in white paper)from page 8 of 22 in :
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1/refs/heads/main/DeepSeek_R1.pdf

One of the most remarkable aspects of this self-evolution is the emergence of sophisticated behaviors as the test-time computation increases. Behaviors such as reflection—where the model revisits and reevaluates its previous steps—and the exploration of alternative approaches to problem-solving arise spontaneously. These behaviors are not explicitly programmed but instead emerge as a result of the model’s interaction with the reinforcement learning environment. This spontaneous development significantly enhances DeepSeek-R1-Zero’s reasoning capabilities, enabling it to tackle more challenging tasks with greater efficiency and accuracy.

Aha Moment of DeepSeek-R1-Zero
A particularly intriguing phenomenon observed during the training of DeepSeek-R1-Zero is the occurrence of an “aha moment”. This moment, as illustrated in Table 3, occurs in an intermediate version of the model. During this phase, DeepSeek-R1-Zero learns to allocate more thinking time to a problem by reevaluating its initial approach. This behavior is not only a testament to the model’s growing reasoning abilities but also a captivating example of how reinforcement learning can lead to unexpected and sophisticated outcomes.

This moment is not only an “aha moment” for the model but also for the researchers observing its behavior. It underscores the power and beauty of reinforcement learning: rather than explicitly teaching the model on how to solve a problem, we simply provide it with the right incentives, and it autonomously develops advanced problem-solving strategies. The “aha moment” serves as a powerful reminder of the potential of RL to unlock new levels of intelligence in artificial systems, paving the way for more autonomous and adaptive models in the future.



https://github.com/huggingface/open-r1
Fully open reproduction of DeepSeek-R1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepSeek
DeepSeek_R1 was released 2025-01-20

[–] wookiepedia 9 points 1 week ago

This has nothing to do with DeepSeek. The world has run out of flashy leather jackets for Jensen to wear, so nvidia is toast.

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