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https://lemmy.nz/post/18610200/13255360

This user describes how most of the women-centered communities on Lemmy were shut down due to harassment of their members.

Another user adds "We need a safe space, but most of the women I know on here don’t have the time or energy to moderate it. And there’s so few of us, it feels like it’s not worth the effort anyway."

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[–] SoftTeeth -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Drag you killed blahaj, you are an extremely impressive troll.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Off topic drama farming. Nobody asked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I had much more toxic behavior at reddit, but it is hard to imagine any safe space online anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

it definitely depends where you go on all platforms. blahaj zone is good, world is bad. places moderated by mods with actual experience are generally good, places moderated by jordanlund and similar get pretty toxic pretty fast. :(

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Lemmy is a relatively small and niche platform, imo small platforms tend to be like that. First men show up, then transfems, and then cis women. We seem to be at the second stage and while things can be done better (like a female only instance) I do think things will get better.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

In Mastodon, this is typically solved with defederation, block lists, and admins enforcing mod policies. How come this approach doesn't work for Lemmy? Is it not decentralized enough?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

it’s not decentralized enough is exactly the answer. lemmy.world holds a huge portion of users and communities despite having middling at best moderation. illustrating this, one of my favorite communities (196) just recently tried to force everyone to migrate to .world. fortunately, the community at large openly rejected that absurd move, but it definitely exemplified the centralizing forces at play.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Yes. Just look at .world. As long as world is still federated into other communities, the fediverse is not federated.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

Is there anything others can do to help? Feddit.uk wouldn't tolerate this but I'm not sure what a regular user can do apart from look out for harassment, call it out and report promptly

[–] [email protected] 132 points 2 days ago (31 children)

I run a few communities that I would consider to be fairly women-oriented, or at least I would expect them to be interested. I do not expect many men to be interested, and hey that's okay. I welcome anyone who wants to, but no harm if it's not your thing.

But any post that gets made gets downvoted to hell. I routinely have to moderate and remove posts of "Why is this here" and "This is stupid" even though there are people who enjoy it, they are just swarmed by other commenters, and it's made my members less active.

It's pretty clear how people vote and act here, I'm coming up on 2 years here and it's been like how you'd expect. Downvotes don't mean "I don't think this adds to the conversation" or "This is appropriate", they mean "I personally don't like this" here, and I think that kills a lot of our smaller communities.

[–] CatZoomies 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for running those communities. I try to post to one of them where I can (I.e., make memes), but I’m not really a content creator. I just like to lurk in comments and respond when I feel like it’s worth me putting in my opinion or effort.

I’m aligned with your perspective. Hard to create or promote content when people downvote it due to hive mind. It’s discouraging and unwelcoming because it sends the signal “why is this here, you don’t belong in Lemmy”.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you, Zoomies, that means a lot, honestly. I'm not one either, but I try to keep them going. I see the upvotes, people enjoy it, but I think many are a bit nervous to comment, but it'll grow eventually. I'm going to put some time on this over the next week to automate something I think

[–] CatZoomies 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One thing I need to do is try to comment more. Hard to come up with stuff to say. And I’m one of those folks that types stuff, then second guesses it and backs out from posting.

I upvote what I can, but that’s always bare minimum effort. Consistent commenting is much more effort. And the extremely hard part is making original posts along with memes. I have no idea how Picard Maneuver does it. Bro carries Lemmy on his back alone lol.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

I appreciate when you do, and I think others do too. One of the things I had to do was just stop caring about what other people thought. If they liked it, they'd upvote, or maybe they'd downvote, but no matter what you're adding to the conversation. I just dump out whatever I'm thinking now!

I do have to step up my meme game tho

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (5 children)

relevant discussions:

this issue of such a massive proportion can only be solved with intention—it’s not getting fixed by accident. recognizing the problem is the first step.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm not quiet about being a woman, but have yet to receive dms or inappropriate responses or dismissals due to that fact (via lemmy).

EDIT: although elsewhere in this post's comment section I just received such a dismissal by someone who thought I was a man. Indeed, this is the direction in gender space along which I am used to experiencing such behavior, and it is why I have chosen to emphasize the fact that I am a female with a vagina so much in recent years: to get women to stop harassing me.

So I'll shout it out here: I'm a woman, if anyone has a problem with that or just wants to talk about it, please reach out.

I want to help solve the problem but I need to see it better first. I only ever see cherry-picked examples like you have collected here instead of seeing it in the wild. Don't get me wrong, the cherry-picked examples are bad, but I need more than a handful of outliers to really understand the problem and where it comes from before I can understand what I can do to help.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

these aren’t cherry picked? these are quite normal—that’s why i started collecting them because they were so easy to find.

i respect your expression of experience of not having been on the receiving end of this that much—i will thank you to respect mine!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I do want to respect your experience and help to address the root problems leading to it.

That's why I am asking and engaging in this conversation: to be better informed and to help others subvert hate in this hate-filled time.

I'm also an odd case, as an intersex person who was socially raised (predominantly) male but in recent years transitioned to female mostly to avoid harassment. I get so much less hate when I'm perceived as a woman that your experience is somewhat foreign to me. Whether presenting as a man or as a woman, I get hate overwhelmingly from women. Women in our society are hate-filled and angry and don't know how to process emotions like discomfort caused by their intersexphobia nearly as well as men do.

A curated collection of the worst examples meets the definition of cherry picking. Cherry picking doesn't mean that your argument is invalid, just that there is missing context from the rest of the distribution of interactions. Any sufficiently large community will have enough assholes that bad behavior can be cherry picked from the extreme end of the distribution to be used as examples if someone wants to paint the whole community in a bad light.

That said, the extreme and cherry-picked examples are still a problem that need to be taken seriously. My life is an extreme and cherry-picked example that runs counter to the common narrative from "feminists" who think that blocking and ostracizing dissenting voices is a solution, instead of recognizing that reaction as exclusive and anti-diversity. I understand that extreme/unusual or cherry-picked examples need to be taken seriously and considered as edge cases. I am not trying to dismiss you, although my word choice last night maybe could have been more explicit on this point. I'm sorry. What I'm trying to communicate is that I need to better understand the problem (in context) to be able to help be part of the solution.

We need a better solution, and I want to help work towards that. I believe that starts with discussions like this one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah okay thanks i guess it just comes off really not nice for you to say that.

if you posted a list of the worst incidents in your experience of abuse, i truly doubt you would love my response to be calling you a cherry picker. even if you don’t mean it, it looks like siding with the abuser. it’s NOT cherry picking to tell my literal own damn story of what i deal with. if you truly mean differently, maybe choose different words

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Any list of my experiences of abuse is a fundamentally cherry-picked list because my experiences are so far outside (what feminists claim to be) the norm.

I am explicitly calling myself a cherry picker and would have no problem with you doing the same. Everyone else sees my problems that way. It's just the truth.

I mean what I said.

EDIT: and to be clear, that includes my statement that even cherry-picked examples need to be taken seriously, however within proper context. I see that you've already downvoted me and probably moved on. I'm taking your lived experiences seriously, and you aren't taking mine seriously. I hope you will reconsider if you actually want to solve the root of the problems that we both are experiencing.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Hard agree about it being worse then Reddit. It's gotten to the point where I don't engage as much as I want to and thinking about going back to Reddit. I'm sure there are people that would like that.

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