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Yeah, I think massive chemical batteries for storing excess electricity to facilitate a contrived green energy market is a bad idea.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is a shitty Texas-based company cutting corners, who also had fires in 2021 and 2022. There are plenty of battery storage facilities operating safely.

[–] yggstyle 16 points 1 day ago

As someone living in Texas presently: you could have saved yourself a full sentence:

This is a shitty Texas-based company cutting corners...

to

Texas company

or honestly:

Texas

Would be sufficient. Any Texan that doesn't own x texas-based-company is tired of that company's bullshit. It's one of the few things natives and transplants agree on.

This PSA brought to you by the makers of: y'all, you all, and all y'all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (12 children)

You're right, but I think less dense but safer and more sustainable options are the better choice for this

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[–] Maggoty 13 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Ever seen what happens when a coal mine catches fire? Link

I guess we should just go back to water mills right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

back to water mills

Hydroelectric has grown up since then. See: hoover dam

[–] Maggoty 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Dams are actually really bad for the environment. They were sold as good because they don't burn coal but it turns out that blocking rivers interferes with everything along it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Hydroelectric dams have also claimed more human lives than any other type of power plant.

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[–] yggstyle 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

So uh. I guess those coal and natural gas power plants would fare better in a fire. Something seems wrong there but OP clearly wouldn't possibly post something on the Internet that was utterly detached from reality.

Energy storage is just that. Fire is frequently quite good at releasing said energy.

Lithium? poof.

Oil? yup.

Nat gas? mmhmm.

wood? yup.

Coal? dang.

Guess all we got left is water - I'm sure that doesn't have any specific regional requirements...

So tell us champ: what energy storage you got all figured out from that armchair?

[–] neclimdul 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nuclear though, never had a problem with excess heat at one of those. /s

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nobody's ever died from a dam collapse.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

This is why you don't use battery chemistries that can ~~thermally run away~~ autoignite in grid storage. The plant was using LG JH4 batteries, which use an NMC chemistry. I don't think that LiFePO4 cells were as ubiquitous when this plant was first constructed, so the designers opted for something spicy instead.

This shit is why you use LiFePO4. It can't ~~thermally run away~~ autoignite, it lasts longer, and the reduced energy density doesn't really matter for grid storage. Plus, it doesn't use nickel or cobalt so the only conflict resource is lithium.

EDIT: LiFePO4 batteries can enter thermal runaway, but they can't autoignite.

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