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[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I gave up on this conversation years ago.

Fine, for the sake of argument, I’m a liberal, because I don’t want to give you 45 extra minutes of my time in this comment section to try and explain the difference when I know you’ll ignore most of what I say anyhow, and derail us from the point I was actually trying to make. If I’m a liberal in your mind, so be it. My point stands.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (14 children)

What is the difference? I'm not sure what I am any more.

[–] glitchdx 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

If you're looking for a label, I recommend not. Soon after you pick one, the definition for that label will change and no longer fit your ideology. This change might be due to your own understanding improving, or due to societal shifts, or both.

Write out your ideology in long form. People tend to support good ideas when not attached to politically charged labels.

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[–] Funkytom467 -1 points 1 day ago

It also makes sens, if you're not knowledgeable on politics, your reasoning might rather resemble a philosophical one.

And philosophically speaking the basis of liberalism could means both left or right wing values depending on the philosopher.

For exemple Kant's philosophy was based on rational individuals to wich giving positive rights would permit to govern themselves. It also means laws would be universal wich would create equality. You can see how this could be compatible with some anarchist ideas or more generally with democracy.

In communism you would also have those positive rights. But you would also justify interventions to protect those rights, against lack of resources for instance (although that's outside of Kant's scope).

In the contrary, Lock's ideas is negative rights to protect people from the government and each other. Guaranteeing things like property. And ultimately wanting freedom. Thus giving the right wing liberalism it mainly refers to today.

Furthermore it's the basis of capitalism. Which, if i'm being honest, is mostly what's implied by liberalism when it comes to the economy, although i would argue against. With how defective capitalism is you could argue protectionism should be wanted by liberals to prevent all thoses monopolies we see everywhere. In this instance we could see a part of liberalism that tend more towards a leftist idea.

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