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Hi guys basically as the title says. I have a pixel phone running GrapheneOS and I really don't want to install Play Services. Is there an alternative for me? I need reliable notifications for Telegram and signal. Edit: Thank you all amazing people for helping I learned alot and found best setup for me

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

FYI for the other commenters, UnifiedPush can work thru the Prosody mod_unified_push or any server with a up where Conversations (& its forks like Cheogram, Monocles, Blabber) can be a distributor. This has the added bonus of coming with an awesome decentralized XMPP chat server getting to reuse a single connection & single app to server instead of separate ones. Conversations is the most efficient chat client on Android in terms of resources (battery, network, RAM) so might as well keep it lightweight—which you are probably trying to get push notifications from the likes of Signal or Element, but what is the point when you have an efficient XMPP server for your chat needs?

However, I think UnifiedPush might be a bit flawed—as if the startup that created ntfy is pushing others to try to adopt their standard instead of getting folks on board with the older & capable MQTT (which also can be ran thru mod_mqtt on your XMPP server). I am not yet sure if this is a tinfoil take or not.

[–] MrPoopbutt 1 points 10 hours ago

Why do you not want play services on grapheneos? Doesn't the sandboxing remove any issues with it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Please update what you chose then, to help the next person.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I went with ntfy.sh and installed molly and mercurygram.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Good choices. I take this a step further and bridge IRC, Signal, Gvoice, and WhatsApp from a plugged in device or container to Matrix. Then use ntfy for Matrix notifications. This gives me notifications for all of them in Matrix/Element and thus through ntfy.

Example: Instead of Molly I use mautrix-signal bridge as the device and it feeds messages into Matrix.

There's also a Telegram bridge: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/bridges/telegram/

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

nfty for applications that support it. your only other choice is microg

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

your only other choice is microg

Doesn't work on GrapheneOS, since it requires root access for signature spoofing. And it's not any better than Sandboxed play services.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Are you talking about ntfy? And if so, could you give more context? I run a self-hosted ntfy and am thinking of switching to GOS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Sorry, forgot to include a blockquote. I was talking about microG. Ntfy is a regular user-installable app, you just need to grant it permission to run in the background, i.e. disable battery optimization.

[–] spookedintownsville 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I believe they're referring to microg. Never used ntfy so I'm not too sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You're damn right

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Most libre applications implement their own websockets for this. EDIT: some propriety spyware like WhatsApp use those too, can confirm myself, as I unfortunately have to use it on my GrapheneOS owner profile (which ofc doesn't have the sandboxed GPlay services installed; I could technically use it on my profile for personal proprietary apps, but it would be a major pita) ENDEDIT
(unfortunately Proton uses only Google FCM in most of their apps and doesn't publish them on F-Droid or Accrescent)

However, those can take a strain on your battery since every websocket maintains it's own connection.
This is where UnifiedPush in combination with either nfty or Sunup comes in
(EDIT: I use ntfy myself, also Sunup seems to be quite new, so it might come with some quirks; EDITEND there is also a plugin for your own Nextcloud)

Since Unifiedpush maintains only one connection for every app using it, this takes quite a bit less charge to upkeep
(it's explained quite well on their website, which is hyperlinked)

If you are looking for Unifiedpush support on Signal: Molly is a hardened fork of the client and does support it through Mollysocket

EDIT: If you use Telegram there is Mercurygram. As for Matrix clients, I use Element and Schildichat. All these support UnifiedPush

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for your awesome advice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Happy to help :)

(especially when it comes awesome libre software :p)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Spot on response!
Just a note: in my experience Mercurygram with ntfy is terribly unreliable, with notifications coming in days later, so I personally ended up enabling its background service anyways, it doesn't look like it's taking up much battery at least

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thx for the kind words!

I left the background service on for all the messengers, it's not like the Unifiedpush ones have anything major to use anyway. This increased the reliability and peace of mind + they never show up as major battery users for me either

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean unrestricted battery usage? If so, I don't exactly understand how it differs from keeping the unifiedpush integration off and relying on the app, does it make it so that it's only "ready" to be triggered by ntfy when it would otherwise poll the server on its own very frequently (so you end up actually saving some battery)?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

does it make it so that it's only "ready" to be triggered by ntfy when it would otherwise poll the server on its own very frequently (so you end up actually saving some battery)?

That's how I understand it, yes. You change the behaviour of the app by configuring it to use UnifiedPush, so there is less background usage to restrict

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I see, that makes sense

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm using Molly with UnifiedPush for notifications and it works quite well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So you have set it up over Mollysocket? Do you use your own or a remote instance?

I just haven't got around to setting it up myself yet... (+ I don't have my own server yet, so I can't self host :/)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, in self hosting MollySocket and my own Ntfy server. I'm in the process of moving it all to my NAS so I don't have to leave my computer on all the time.

I really wish Signal would support it natively.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

it's rly cool that you're self hosting this stuff! though I can imagine running your PC 24/7 just for that is quite annoying

also yeah, upstream support for UnifiedPush in the clients for both Signal and Telegram would be great...

But I can imagine that it's not rly a priority for them.
(I'm not actually skilled enough (yet) to help implement that though either)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Only thing I have a problem with right now is proton mail. Hopefully soon they will be implementing notifications that don't rely on google play (they said they are working on it)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know about Telegram, but I know, at least with Signal, it should work with web sockets, and allow you to get notifications that way. At least that's how I get my notifications on Molly, which is a fork of signal. While not many applications support it, you might also look into UnifiedPush and ntfy which is a UP app from F-Droid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Telegram just sits in the background and works, I don't understand OP's problem. The only downside compared to gplay version is that there's a persistent notification.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, Molly does the same thing and doesn't cause me any problems.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I use ntfy from fdroid

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It depends for what Apps you need them. Often Apps like Signal or Element support getting Notifications via a persistent Server connection or asking every so often for Notifications. Even tho i could not find any source, i found that this works with Whatsapp(sadly have to use it) too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So it's either a persistent notification or allowing the app to constantly running in the background. Does it have a significant battery impact?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

On my device, I let the app just constantly hang out in the background with a persistent notification that I have turned off, but it does not have a significant battery impact for me at all. So your mileage may vary. Some people say that it has significant impact, and some people like me, it doesn't impact hardly at all.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

yes, it has a "significant" impact on battery. i don't know why the other comment claims otherwise.

it's worth it for me, so i accept that "impact".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Signal uses 2% a day and Element 1%. I do not really think this is significant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

For some people it doesn't, and for others it does. So your mileage may vary. For example, with me, I have seen no significant battery impact, and I've been running it this way for several years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Doesn't have a significant impact. Using Telegram (though third party OSS client called Forkgram) and Signal without Play services on pixel as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Depends on the App but generally no.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It depends. Some apps have their push notifications system but may consume more battery.

You should list what apps

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You're right I need reliable notifications for Telegram and signal

[–] Dust0741 2 points 2 days ago

Telegram X works for me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Signal does its own notifications

[–] Selfhoster1728 3 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yea but it drains my battery

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For Signal, use F-Droid and add the repoaitory for Langis which runs without communicating with Google servers, and notifications for Langis are immediate, without a delay.

In F-Droid have a look at Forkgram and Telegram FOSS as a solution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I can recommend Molly for Signal and Mercurygram for Telegram. Both support UnifiedPush too!