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Just to compare, this is the utopian dream for Toronto:

There are approx. 18 cars and trucks in that image.

They are taking up SIGNIFICANTLY more space, and are causing traffic.

Still, we keep saying, "give us more of this, please!".

Insanity or stupidity?

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Look we all want to be a pothead cyclist sex worker in the paradise of Amsterdam, but they can't fit us all.

They have entire fried fish fillets being sold on the street for like 2€ it's stupid bro it's fucking stupid how good they got it.

I blame the civil engineers.

Edit: I visited Amsterdam during a work trip. They have a tram system that stops at every other street and goes up every other spoke of their bike wheel city. It's cheap and it runs almost all night. I was sharing a jazz cigarette (Marijuana joint) with a local after drinking many fine Belgian beers and remarking about this in a broken German the local was ever so polite to entertain and they laughed at me, telling me the tram was slow, hardly stopped anywhere and cost too much, next time I should just rent a bike.

They don't even know how good they fucking got it.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

They don’t even know how good they fucking got it.

That's because this way of city planning is normal there. You wouldn't think that making streets and sidewalks safe for human beings would be such a big deal, but to us it's unheard of!

When we put a pedestrian crossing with gasp, a signal, motorists around here lose their minds! Not really, they just ignore them. /s

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

It’s normal because people in the 70s put in a lot of effort and protesting to make it normal. I thank them every day for that.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is why you vote/advocate for bike friendly infrastructure to exist where you currently live.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Buddy this is suburbia that shit ain't even on the ticket in the primary

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hence why I also said advocate.

If there are no relevant ballot issues, you will need to find like minded people to create petitions. Start small: Painted bike lanes, reduce speeds in neighborhoods, signage, etc

The other option is be angry and bitter on the Internet. 🤷‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I ain't bitter or angry, like I said, this is suburbia, we just talk like that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Things can change it just gonna take a generation or two. It took NL 40-50 years of development to achieve these efficiencies

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

I’ll just drop this here

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Canadian checking in. A bike will never be a replacement for a truck (the best kind of vehicle for city driving) until the front basket can be mounted high enough that the rider cannot see a child in front of them.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Pff, who needs a high basket to not see children, when you can just look down at your phone like everyone else? Rookie 😎

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

This is A bicycle parking lot at the main station in Utrecht. Now imagine to replace this amount of bycyles with cars and how much space this would take up. However, I still believe, that this is just a bicycle exchange station. You just leave your bicycle there and just grab another one when you leave. You ain't gonna find your bicycle anyways in this huge pile of bicycle.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That's a temporal bike park. Yes we do find our bikes back, it's an innate skill.

Most modern bike parkings are two story:

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

IIRC it's no longer true, but there was a time when the largest bicycle parking in the world was at Utrecht Centraal (the central train station).

The second-largest bicycle parking was on the other side of that same station.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

actually, we somehow do

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ah, btw, this is Winterthur train station, backside.

And front side.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

What a beautiful sight!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Unpopular opinion: getting rid of cars is good, but if you've ever been to the streets of Amsterdam, it's a bike nightmare.

Streets are generally narrow, so bikers form a neverending swarm and barely regard the pedestrians. From a bikers' perspective, you're constantly riding in a flow, so you can't really afford to stop or turn over for a break.

Amsterdam should either figure out how to manage that flow, or expand the public transportation like buses and trams - which are really the most compact ways to drive people around.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Having cyclists all around comes with all sorts of unwritten rules, people need to get used to it for it to function properly. Amsterdam has a lot of tourist that aren't used to the bicycle-culture, don't know the unwritten rules, and at the same time to local populace expects them to, so that causes problems. You'll notice that other dutch cities like Utrecht and Groningen have it figured out much better, have a far smoother experience, but perhaps have it easier because there are less tourists.

[–] FireRetardant 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No matter how you cut it, I'd rather be hit or nearly hit by a cyclist than by a F150.

Driving comes with WRITTEN rules and drivers can't even seem to follow them like full stops at stop signs or pedestrians having the right of way at crossings. At least with a bicycle if some rules are ignored by either side the risks are far less deadly.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Amsterdammers hate public transport.

I had an English friend who learned to bicycle. It opens the city up in ways that are not possible with even great public transport.

For example, the Vondelpark goes roughly east/west for some distance. Crossing that north/south by bicycle takes a few minutes. Crossing by public transport means going around it, basically.

Some cyclists ignore lights and crosswalks, like some pedestrians. But overall it basically works. Just look left and right before stepping into a street and you'll probably be fine.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

As a person who regularly cycles through Amsterdam (even the centre), the issus is tourist pedestrians. The city does a bare minimum to cater for these travellers, because most of the visits are temporal.

As a cyclist and/or pedestrian, I am never frustrated by locals cycling or walking.

The rule is "its harder for a cyclist to stop than a pedestrian, so be predictable with where you are going and we'll all avoid an accident".

The flow people you walk about is a problem for travellers, not for locals.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

And how would that nightmare be if everyone was in a car?

Amsterdam doesn't have much of a bicycle issue, really.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Now I want to eat Falafel. These Maoz guys made awesome falafel back in the ‘90s when I lived there.

These big American trucks are infesting our roads now too. They are technally not street legal because they are not measured to the same enviromental and safety standards compared to a European car for some reason beyond me.

The EU has not done anything yet, but there are many enviromental groups pressing the EU on getting these trucks banned.

Importing these trucks (and any truck) without paying any vehicle tax registration is getting cancelled in 2025 here in the Netherlands so let’s hope these trucks will get the fuck off our roads. This law was kind of a loop hole to import these trucks for cheap.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Quite a few of those ghastly RAM trucks where I am up in the mountains

If they find out it's me that's sticking the "Fuck your environment, I'm compensating for my micropenis" stickers on them, I'm fucking dead

Cheap as fuck on AliExpress

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[–] FireRetardant 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I saw a YouTube comment on a cyclists video claiming Toronto to be "the anti-car capital of the world". If toronto is an anti-car city, i would hate to see how a "pro-car" city looks to them....

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

LOL. Putting in a bike lane makes any city "anti-car", if your only perspective is seeing the city through your metal cage 😂

But really, a pro car city is probably 20 lanes for every road with no sidewalks at all. Everyone is miserable, and traffic doesn't move. 🤭

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[–] DragonsInARoom 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Would love to own a moped, but it stands out too much in a sea of cars to not get stolen

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Apparently, using a cover while it's locked up can significantly reduce theft.

This is the strategy that "Cargo bike momma" uses with her cargo bike, in New York City... and she's a professor of criminology, so I trust her judgment when it comes to these things! LOL

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[–] aesthelete 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The other thing we do here is have many more cars than people. I live in a neighborhood where basically everyone has two spots per unit in their attached garage...many, many people spend a lot of their time trying to avoid parking tickets because they have to park their 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th cars somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

So, so, sooo much wasted money. I've got neighbours like that... one car for each family member. And none are driving outside the city on a regular basis.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

the Netherlands is so great! the train station near me has a giant bike parking garage, and only like 10 car spots, which are made just for bringing and picking up people. And from then its less than an hour to get from anywhere in the 'randstad', the part of the Netherlands with most cities, to another.

also, most Dutch neighbourhoods (/suburbs) have a single lane road which is also used by the bikers, meaning the cars are forced to go only as fast as the bikers.

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