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In over 30 years of practice, Dr. Errol Billinkoff rarely saw a man without kids come into his Winnipeg clinic to get a vasectomy. But since the pandemic began, he says it's become an almost daily occurrence.

And he's not alone.

"At first, I thought I was the only one who was noticing this," Billinkoff, who brought a no-scalpel vasectomy procedure to Winnipeg in the early 1990s, told CBC News in a November interview.

"But I am part of an international chat group where doctors who do vasectomies participate and the topic came up, and it's like everybody notices it."

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I got one because the idea of having kids has always filled me with a keen sense of dread. Any time I hear that someone is expecting a child my first thought is "oh no I'm so sorry" before saying the expected congratulations.

Both my partner and I don't like or want kids, why risk accidents happening?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

More people seem to be choosing child free living because of the state of the world and economy rn. I don't blame them.

Get pets like me!

[–] MehBlah 26 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I bet they don't get the same amount a shit a childless woman would going in to get her tubes tied.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve (27m) been told no by multiple doctors. So, sorta? Granted. Last time I tried I was 24 but I hasn’t been easy. Maybe it would be now. I stopped trying.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Weird, you need to find yourself a new doctor. I got mine at 23 and the first time I ever spoke to any doctor that seemed like they were against it was actually only a few months ago, I'm 28 now. Even then they didn't really seem like they were against it so much as they didn't seem to understand why anyone would want one so young.

When I first asked my gen prac about getting snipped he said it was a little unusual for someone as young as me but he said that while actively putting in the referal so it isn't like he was trying to talk me out of it. At the urologist he just asked the standard quick questions of "you understand that it is permanent?" And " you're sure?". Then he put me on a table and got to work.

As a humerous side note, there is one thing I didn't like about getting mine done so young. My urologist (and likely urologists in general) are used to performing vasectomies on much older guys who have a fair bit more scrotal droop to work with. Young perky me didn't have that much droop. It also didn't help that the sterilizing wash the sadists used was ice cold and the room where it was done was freezing. So my poor frozen bits were trying to ascend to party with my tonsils meanwhile this doctor was pulling on them like they were excalibur and he was itching to be crowned king of england just to try and get some slack to work with. Definitely did not enjoy that part. Still worth it though.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

The female procedure is a lot more invasive than the male procedure. That's why I had mine done instead of my wife undergoing the surgery.

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And, yes I do realize that's not the point you were trying to make. But it is a factor.

[–] MehBlah 12 points 19 hours ago

The factor is the self appointed managers of women's biology. They don't want them women to steal kids from some future man. This is the basic line fed a woman I knew who wanted to be sterilized since her family carried the genes for a deadly dehumanizing genetic disease and some shithead doctor told her she was selfish for not wanting her future man to have a choice about kids. She left the southern us and went up north to get he procedure done. When she returned she found a new doctor. This was over twenty years ago. Long before this latest batch of idiots.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think this is a great thing to see happening. Men are taking birth control into their own hands. Why take the risk of an unwanted pregnancy? Sometimes other methods fail.

The peace of mind must be amazing too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Being trapped by a woman is not even a crime no matter how bad the facts are, including rape.

Society views men as nothing more than ATM in such cases. Should wraped it up twice lol

So good for them!

Better safe than sorry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Just in case someone out there doesn't know, never use two condoms. That's going to cause them to break.

Also, I'm not sure what terrible circumstances happened to you, but I get the feeling you wouldn't appreciate sweeping statements being made about men like that.

I hope you find yourself in a place where you no longer feel that way.

[–] Agent641 72 points 1 day ago

I've decided I don't want to have kids at all.

My wife is taking it better than my son and daughter are.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago (15 children)
  • No right to abortion in the United States
  • Giving someone who didn't get asked or consent to being born, the forced existence of life.
  • A child for a parent is expensive, mentally draining, and you have to be a good parent
  • You also have to be the parent for a child with any special needs, from allergies to mental issues to being born without limbs
  • If the child is any form of "other" to society, they will be picked on, and then possible harmed by the rise of Neo-Fascism
  • Work or starve, work or be cold, work until you die. Another tax number, another corporate slave.

Being born is fine, once you're here you should try to live life to its fullest. But I don't want kids, I would be a horrid father.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Let's not forget about child care, cause you know, in this economy both parents typically need to work to keep their heads financially above water.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Giving someone who didn’t get asked or consent to being born, the forced existence of life.

I’ve never understood that argument. Simple logic states nobody would exist if we asked every sperm and egg before having sex.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Correct, you can't ask. It's a question of ethics.

It's something to just ask. No one was asked to be born. Some where cheated out of a good life. There's people born into poverty and disease who don't know a good life. They feel that pain and suffering without the option to go out that isn't killing themselves.

You weren't asked, I wasn't, our parents weren't, and so on. It's not evil, it's just the pure simple fact of "No one was asked to be born into a world where you need to earn money or you will die."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I still don’t understand.

I’m good with making life less shitty for everyone though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

This is one of those philosophical questions that have no "correct" answer but heres my take on it. Also sorry, this turned into an essay but I was on a roll

The main thing is that having a child isn't something the parents do for the child. You can't do anything for a child that doesn't exist. Having a child is something parents do for themselves; they want a child so they have a child. Plus an unborn child can't possibly consent to being born. Put those two things together and you have two people doing something that they want to do for their own benefit which fundamentally changes the state of being of another person who can't possibly consent to it.

When you have a child you are also taking a gamble on how their life will turn out without consulting them. They could wind up being the happiest person in the world who lives a full perfectly fulfilled life. Or they could wind up absolutely miserable for the rest of their life wishing that they have never been born. Both of those things are largely up to random chance.

For example my brother in law was born to a homeless single heroin addict and grew up on the street even after his mom died. He is now a professional engineer with a doting wife, a loving family, and a large house with a white picket fence in a fairly nice neighborhood. He now literally lives the steriotypical american dream except he has a cat instead of a dog. Sure he worked for all of that but even he will tell you that it also just required a lot of luck. Meanwhile my foster brother was born to a happy, healthy, loving, and even relatively wealthy family but due to a freak illness when he was barely a toddler he now has next to no motor function. He can only slightly move one eye and eyelid but even that is taxing for him. He can kind of control a tablet with eye tracking for brief periods of time before it exhausts him and he likes to wink at people to say "hi" but that is the extent of agency he has in the world. He will almost certainly be like that for the rest of his life.

When you have a child you are taking that chance without consulting them. Some people see the chance of their child living a good life as being worth the risk, which is a perfectly acceptable opinion to have. Don't take this as me saying people need to be ashamed of having children. Like I said, there is no correct answer here. Other people (myself included) see it as unethical to take that risk for someone who can't consent to it. I obviously lean that way due to personal experience. I also don't see much point in creating more children when there is even one child that doesn't have a happy home. My genes aren't anything special, why make a new child when I could even possibly help an existing child have a better life.

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[–] asdfasdfasdf 25 points 1 day ago (20 children)

Can anyone here who's gotten one comment on the vasectomy process? I've been pretty nervous seeing a lot of the comments about it. I don't even do well with a normal blood draw. I feel like I'd need general anesthesia for this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

For me the procedure was not bad at all, local anesthetic was enough. When it was done. I thought everything had gone smoothly. But I would say, pay attention to the possible after effects. Apparently somewhere less than 1% of people have pain that never goes away. I ended up having pain for a solid year. And still on a rare occasion even today, 14 years later my nuts will still ache. At least it's rare that it happens, but if I had to go back I don't know if I would have done it again. I also find ejaculation less satisfying than I used to. It's like lifelong blue balls. I'm not trying to talk you out of it. The risks for women having their version of the surgery is far worse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

Mine was almost painless.

I took, paracetamol only after ward for a day. I was walking around with no issues after the local anesthetic wore off.

My brother had a really shit time, severe swelling and major pain for a week.

I think skill plays a big factor!

Go for a doctor that has a great reputation, ask people that they have done the procedure on!!!!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Mine was pretty bad. The doctor was really stingy about pain meds. I was miserable the whole procedure and two weeks afterwards.

If I ever get a scheduled surgery again, I'm going to buy gray market pain meds ahead of time.

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[–] Olhonestjim 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I've never had kids. Got it done down in TX. Told the doc I've never wanted them and didn't want to pay for anymore abortions.

I did it fully conscious with local anesthesia because I had no one to pick me up and look after me if I took the knockout gas. There were a couple tiny pricks of pain next to the base of my penis, then numbness. An unpleasant tugging sensation in each testicle when he positioned my vas deferens to cut, cauterize, and clamp the ends. That was the worst part, but like I say, it didn't hurt. Aside from that, I nervously wisecracked with the nurses, who politely laughed and joked back. Then I put my pants back on, paid the bill (ouch!), drove myself home, and spent the weekend getting high and playing video games with frozen gel packs under my balls. All that felt like was the dull tenderness you get a little while after a blow to the junk. Totally manageable. I took some Advil or something.

Against advice, I returned to my strenuous job 3 or 4 days afterwards, and jerked off repeatedly much sooner than suggested. I've experienced zero complications, but ymmv. Taking my wisdom teeth out was much worse. Getting a tattoo is far more painful. It was a bit worse than getting my ears pierced, but healed faster.

8/10 Would totally repeat the experience just for the days off with zero responsibilities. My only regret is I didn't do it at 18.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

My doc did it under local. His preference. After, there was a little discomfort but no real pain. Like that sensation after you've been kicked in the nuts but the pain has gone away. Kinda feels like a stone in your taint. Lasted a few days and I was off doing stuff for about a week. It wasn't terrible. Should have done it earlier honestly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

My doctor did a very good job. I barely felt anything after the freezing (he used a topical before injecting the actual dose), and he did the whole procedure quickly and efficiently.

Sent me home with a big bottle of pain killers, but I barely needed any of them.

My brother, on the other hand, was in pain for almost a week after his.

Find a well regarded doctor and you should have a better time.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Why would I force another human into this shitty existence?

Also condoms suck and raw dick is just better.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When animals are over stressed, unable to provide the basics of survival, and constantly dealing with external threats they tend to not have babies.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 days ago (11 children)

This is what happens when the conservatives threaten the right to an abortion. Drastic measures have to be taken.

No kid should be born unloved or a woman have her life threatened because too many ignorant folks think she is sinful for getting healthcare or evil for not raising more wage slaves for the bourgeoisie.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Continue not taxing the rich and making conditions worse for the 99%. Let's see how it works out.

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[–] veni_vedi_veni 3 points 9 hours ago

The rich don't care. They only want people to have kids insofar as to depress the value of labor relative to assets. Once the automation of lower skill services are complete, they will happily give every poor as many vasectomies and abortions they want.

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