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[–] edgemaster72 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately this did not pan out for me at all when I tried to move out of IT support. Now I make fries and sandwiches (I don't even make them, I just put the toppings on). If possible I'll probably do this til I die, not cuz I love it, but because I never want to go through with the job application process ever again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You have to go out and get a bullshit CompTIA certificate, otherwise no one will talk to you anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's entirely dependent on experience. Low to no experience? Get certs. In today's age of AI powered resume screens, even with experience if what you're pursuing is a position lower on the totem poll then you will still need them to get through the AI. Probably want a higher-value cert than CompTIA if you wanna work in IT but don't want to stay trapped in the help desk (I'm talking a networking cert, a cloud cert, ITIL, etc). The most common career path is through the help desk but one doesn't need to stay there.

Once one gets a decent amount of experience certs don't really matter. In fact, I climbed up the early rungs of the IT ladder by selling my experience with stuff in my home lab and selling my ability to learn. I don't have a single cert and never have. I misrepresented nothing about myself, but I did need to eat some below-market-pay jobs at first to rack up real experience to sell. Nobody really cares about the cert, it's a knowledge industry and what matters is what you know and what you've done.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure where you're looking for jobs but all of them require the certification even if you have experience. If you don't have the certification they're not even going to look at your resume to find out that you have experience, that's the problem with AI screening, logical thought doesn't get a look in.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

the hiring managers, senior executives, and especially the owners-- don't give half a flying fuck about the ~~worker drones~~ employees

as such, you're only hurting yourself if you're not telling them what they want to hear out of "principle." fuck that. "principle" won't stop them from tossing you to the winds the instant you become any sort of liability, e.g., prolonged sickness, otj injury, pregnant, etc

[–] randon31415 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are not suppose to lie - you are suppose to apply for jobs that you are insanely overqualified for. Why? Because your competition is doing the same thing.

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[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I am having such a problem with this right now. Everyone says, "apply for this, who cares if you don't fit the qualifications?" And I'm like, "they probably care." I just have a hard time believing some company is going to look at my resume when I don't fit the criteria and then hire me. I am going way out of my safety zone on that right now, but I'm still not convinced.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Most recruiters have no idea what they are recruiting for. It's like a game of telephone, by the time the job description reaches you, it has gone through so much dressing and corparatification it either describes a whole IT deparment or nothing specific at all.

Getting hired needs an entirely different set of skill than whatever job you will do. Well except maybe if it's marketing, because the whole process seems like a song and dance where you need to sell yourself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That's because you are not considering that the person who wrote that is a human.

I've written many postings. They are always a best guess. When I write mine, I try to be cautious about this and keep two separate sections and put required vs nice to have in two groups, but the place I currently work has a different template and that doesn't fit, so I have to fill in words that I hope convey the meaning I want to the applicant.

In other words, I have a picture in my head of the rough skillet I think is appropriate.

You submit your resume. If it's missing something critical (this is a software job and you've never touched software) that's an easy drop and a waste of everyone's time. But I assume you don't mean this. I assume you mean something more like "I'm looking for someone with experience with oscilloscopes, multimeters, data acquisition, and function generators" and then you say "oh well I've never used a scope just the rest so I shouldn't apply". In terms of what I wrote, the behavior is logical. But I am a human, what I wrote was trying to give examples of the skill I want, not saying "we won't spend half a day to train you on scopes".

You apply so that you can present a picture of your life that you think fulfills the need I am looking for. You write your resume to make that match as clear as it can be. Sometimes we both miss the mark, and I have to go revise the job posting to make what I want clearer. Sometimes you miss the mark and while you have enough skill to do the job you couldn't figure out how to present it. But all we are both doing is trying to see if you have the underlying hard to capture, hard to document, hard to describe skills I actually want you to have, filtered through the rigidity of the hr org.

None of this is as hard or complex or weird or, shockingly to me, malicious, as people here make it out to be.

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