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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

Serious posts, news, and discussion go in c/Socialism.

If you are new to socialism, you can ask questions and find resources over on c/Socialism101.

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


2. Anti-Imperialism means recognizing capitalist states like Russia and China as such


That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


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That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).


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The only dangerous minority is the rich.


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We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.

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Notable achievements in all spheres of society were made by various socialist/people's/democratic republics around the world. Mistakes, however, were made as well: bureaucratic castes of parasitic elites - as well as reactionary cults of personality - were established, many things were mismanaged and prejudice and bigotry sometimes replaced internationalism and progressiveness.



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[–] Itdidnttrickledown 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I hate all you dick licks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Aw. I hate you too. ♥️

[–] Agent641 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

What do liberals like?

I'm only told what they dislike. I even know what conservatives like, that's an easy answer. Liberals, I haven't a clue.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Liberals like good government.

Both conservatives and leftists believe the government is fundamentally flawed. People keep electing conservatives who sabotage the government to prove it's flawed (but not in a way that would negatively effect them and their friends). Young people support leftism at protests (which are really just social get togethers) until they grow out of it and vote for conservatives because they continue to believe the government is flawed. Or maybe refuse to participate in a system because it's not perfect.

If a liberal admits there's flaws to the system which they want to fix, they are blamed for it because they failed to provide good government. The fact that liberals aren't in power long enough to make the government better doesn't matter. They're considered failures if conservatives prevent them from providing good government.

So people vote for the conservatives to run the government because they succeed in preventing liberals from making the government good.

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[–] Ensign_Crab 1 points 1 day ago

Whatever conservatives like, but less of it.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago

I would heap written abuse upon you, but it's true

[–] nifty 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I like guns and some parts of capitalism, I like some ideas from the ML people and anarchists. The complete evolution of human thought and philosophy is worthy of consideration without bias or prejudice.

Addendum not racial supremacy, though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I'd argue that's worth consideration in the context of a history class.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (30 children)

Wait, why do leftists hate leftists?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most conservatives are able to band together regardless of whether another of them is too racist, or too capitalist. They're able to look past flaws in that regard.

Meanwhile, we lefties fight among ourselves for not being left enough, or for being too left. It's why there are very few leftist governments.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nonsense. conservatives inflight and even kill each other all the fucking time. This is a myth promoted by "left unity" leftists, and "big tent" libs to force everyone to follow them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (13 children)

Aye, they do, but when it comes to voting they unify.

Take the UK for example. Of our three main parties the Conservatives are, well, conservative, Labour are (ostensibly) leftwing, and Liberal Democrats are centre-left.

In the end, most of my 44 years have been spent under a series of Tory governments because leftists who don't see Labour as left enough don't vote out of protest, and leftists who see Labour as too left will vote Lib Dem. Meanwhile, those in the centre or on the right will vote Tory. Sure, there are far right parties here, but they're mostly cranks and outright racists.

We only have a Labour government right now because the Tories went too lunatic and Starmer's lot shifted enough to the centre to attract those who would vote LibDem.

Prior to our last election, I saw a whole bunch of fellow lefties going apeshite because Starmer isn't leftwing enough, and still crying that Corbyn was fucked over (which, to be fair, he was), so much so that I genuinely feared for five more years of Tories reaming us. There was very little room for pragmatism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As somebody who was an EU immigrant in the UK for over a decade and also lived in other countries of Europe, lets just say that New Labour are plain Rightwing (so, not even Center-Left, although the original Labour definitelly were Leftwing) and the Liberal Democrats are pure rightwing (whislt the Tories have been Far Right since at least the Leave Referendum).

The ideology of "Thatcher's Greatest Achievement" - a "relaxed about wealth" ideology which loves privatisation and derregulation - which took over Labour is not Left of center and the LibDems have always been even more Neolibs than that.

The Overtoon Window in England (not as much the other UK nations) is way to the Right of the rest of Europe, so its understandable that many there think that when they neither grew up back in the days when Labour was actually a party of the Working Class and never saw politics elsewhere in Europe.

[–] kazerniel 1 points 1 day ago

The Overtoon Window in England (not as much the other UK nations) is way to the Right of the rest of Europe

*cries in Hungarian*

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Have you never met leftists?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

dern leftists… ruinin' the left

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