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You guys remeber Hungarian? The country that tried to run chatcontrol again just a few days ago? Ye those guys..

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Those two are not really related. Chatcontrol was tied to Hungary now, because it is the current head of EU, it cycles every half year between member states. And this news is about defending the knowledge about the local royal family, the Orbáns. This scandal also happened years ago, it was just revealed recently.

The government also used Pegasus spy tool against journalists and opposition politicians, so it wasnt really unexpected.

Hungary is not a true democracy since around 2014, Orbán changed voting rules in 2012, and he rules by decree since 2015, parliament is just theater. Elections will be in 2026, recent polls says a party has enough supporters finally, so it can change in 2 years. But there is some fear that he may change election rules again, so he can't be voted out.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The relationship between the two news is “the guys that last proposed a mass surveillance scheme really do spy on powerful people, and the proposed law would just make it cheaper

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, he didn't propose that, this process is ongoing since 2022, and originally it was proposed by Ylva Johansson a Swedish politician. More info on this proposal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Combat_Child_Sexual_Abuse

As I wrote before, from 2024 July to December Hungary hosts the Presidency of the Council of the European Union. It means EVERY new legislation in this half year will be tied to this country. From January the host will be Poland, so you will read the same news not about Hungary but about Poland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_the_Council_of_the_European_Union

That's true that the host can decide what topics should be discussed but as you can see it didn't passed.

Orbán is in the opposition in EU parliament, his party is in the group Patriots for Europe, as he was kicked from EPP, he was too far right for them. They are not part of the current commission (aka EU government) and they won't get any positions there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You’re missing the point. Who proposed it isn’t the important part. It’s what they intend to do with the legislation if it passes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Than what is the connection if it doesn't matter who proposed it? You said they are related because Hungary proposed it. Your two comments contradict themself.

I know what these laws about I just wrote that the news about spying on OLAF came out on the same week is not really related to the other news. Shitty governments, mini dictators do awful things all the time, I know, I live in this, but they rarely reach the global news sites. Now 2 news appeared on international sites at the same time, that's all the direct connection.

Also that's just my not fully related take that I like to differentiate targeted spying from mass surveillance. Both of them are terrible and shouldn't happen but the goals and tools used for them are very different. This news is about targeted surveillance, and common folks doesn't have to fear from such an intrusion, because the tools used hardly scale to more order of magnitude targets. This news is about wiretapping a handful of individuals, not about using laws to read all messages.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

You keep doing you, buddy.

[–] IndustryStandard 8 points 1 week ago

Wait till you find out what the American CIA does