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In Germany, a Man Who Was Stabbed by a Jihadi Has Been Fined for Criticizing Islam (pjmedia.com)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, he has a point. Specifically the one he got stabbed with.

[–] eskimofry 2 points 2 weeks ago

What is with people responding to what Islam stands for and being like "Yes, thats a great thing they have going there, we should consider them role models"?

The kind of ideology you defend would call you a fakir if you were not born a Muslim and probably behead you if you said anything that would be perceived as an insult to their god.

This is fine if it is confined to their own followers but why should they expect tolerance if they don't tolerate outsiders?

[–] Grimy 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There is a lot of hate in that article. It's basically just bashing Islam and pretending it's news. If these are the kind of authors defending him, he probably deserved the fine.

Just copy paste "religion of peace" for like 5 paragraph instead.

[–] eskimofry 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A religion where women don't have equal rights doesnt deserve to exist. You are okay with christian conservative bullshit?

[–] Grimy 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, but I know a dog whistle when I see one.

[–] eskimofry 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah i agree but you have to understand it takes a lot of effort to be careful with words. Doesnt mean someone deserves a beheading.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Someone being arrested for criticizing a religion is pretty newsworthy to be fair

[+] [email protected] -7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Islam is a hateful religion. It's fair to bash hate. Paradox of tolerance and all that.

[–] Grimy 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

All religions are hateful.

The right targets one religion, compounding xenophobia for political gains, while preaching Jesus. Even Judaism can't be seen as peaceful anymore because of its link to Israel.

It's clear the article is meant to drum up hate. Only an idiot would fall for this bullshit.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Pray for your enemies. Turn the other cheek. The master should rule as a servant. The first should be the last, the last first. There is no Jew, nor Greek, man, or woman in Christ. Measure for measure. There is your daily dose of religion.

[–] Grimy 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not really what the article is preaching which is kind of my point. To be fair, it isn't what religious leaders are saying either but that's an other conversation entirely.

[–] GarrulousBrevity 3 points 2 weeks ago

You're looking at the most extreme members of the religion and assuming that's the norm. Christianity and Judaism don't look great when you do that either. By that standard, all religions are religions of hate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Germany doing a fascism? Color me surprised.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I get why Germany specifically has anti-free speech laws, but surely they could've some amount of discretion in this case.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wild, its almost like both people got in trouble for their respective crimes.

Just crazy.

[–] eskimofry 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shouldn't be a crime to criticize a shitty religion and its shitty preachers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It is though, so.... Too bad?

Edit: and its quite a bit more than criticism, if you would be honest about things.

[–] eskimofry 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look, I agree with you on it being more than criticism. But people shouldn't deny that it didn't arise out of a vacuum. Being murderous for criticizing awful behavior doesn't give you a great reputation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Neither does being a hateful bigot.

What's your point?

[–] eskimofry 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you should be careful you aren't going to bat for something you don't entirely believe in. You don't want to encourage religious fanatics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Calling someone a hateful bigot is endorsing violent extremism?

Hope you've got a soft mat to land on for that wild leap.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Saying "too bad" about Fascism is wild

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hate speech and inciting being against the law is an interesting way to define fascism. Rather unique I'd say.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Now that's a take.

Seems like people associate fascism with far right beliefs and behaviors rather than authoritarianism or nationalism. I was wondering earlier this week if that's what people have been doing the way that the word "fascism" has been bandied about, I guess this answers my question.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the "free speech absolutist" take. Where yelling "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater is totally cool. Thats what you're saying right? That all speech is acceptable? Even if the intent is violence? Terror?

Fascism is dictatorial control, violent suppression of opposition, belligerent nationalism and racism, etc.

If you think that describes the far right, then there you go. If the far right has these characteristics, there you go. You figured out why people associate the far right with fascism.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well I mean inciting imminent violence or mayhem isn't covered or protected by the First Amendment from what I can remember. I'm not saying that all speech that leads to violence should be illegal, but like, if you tell people to slash up folks with knives and they do that, yeah you should be liable for that.

People associate the far right with fascism because of desperate attempts to make the right wing in general unappealing, not because the right tends to support fascism.

For clarity, when I refer to "far right", I'm speaking in terms of social values. So, things like white supremacism/segregationsim, misogyny, supporting the installation of a theocracy, etc.

Stuff like dictatorial control, violent suppression of opposition, etc. are pretty bipartisan positions. Folks on both the left and right support using such powers to meet their own ends. You yourself are doing so here, cheering on someone being jailed for criticizing Islam.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well I mean inciting imminent violence or mayhem isn't covered or protected by the First Amendment from what I can remember. I'm not saying that all speech that leads to violence should be illegal, but like, if you tell people to slash up folks with knives and they do that, yeah you should be liable for that.

Cool, cool, so a set of rules to apply based on a presumption of danger that could be created as a result?

So... What Germany did and this guy was charged with? Cool.

For clarity, when I refer to "far right", I'm speaking in terms of social values. So, things like white supremacism/segregationsim, misogyny, supporting the installation of a theocracy, etc.

So the things I mentioned? And theocracies... You mean like the Islamist states? Yeah they are far right, I 100% agree with you. Those also trend towards fascism, yes.

Stuff like dictatorial control, violent suppression of opposition, etc. are pretty bipartisan positions.

Ehhh..... No.

Thats more than a little bit of a reach to come to that conclusion, with a pretty wild definition of dictatorial control and a definition of violence that defies Merriam Webster.

You yourself are doing so here, cheering on someone being jailed for criticizing Islam.

He did well more than criticise, as one other was able to admit. Its a shame you can't admit the truth as well.

Enjoy your day.

[–] eskimofry 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Seems unfair that muslims don't want to integrate into other countries but want others to follow their shitty religion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Seems like thats not a crime in Germany.

[–] eskimofry -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You seem to be living under a weird blissful assumption that arguing in terms of the prevailing law will naturally align you with what is right.

Laws are erected and upheld by people. They are not infallible, just like religion. And I know I don't stand for shit laws that just make it convenient for cults to kill or maime people with no consequences over perceived insults.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

No, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of this article.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stabbing people should be a crime

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Shocker then that it is, and that person was shot by the police at the time.

Are you not even aware of what happened, and just trying to make it seem like the only thing that happened was a hateful bigot got stabbed then arrested?

That fits.