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[–] morphballganon 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fraud? Sounds like "business" to me. Shall we call all interstate business transportation fraud?

[–] jeffw -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The deposit is meant to incentive recycling. If you don’t pay the deposit, but try to claim it, that’s fraud.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The deposit is meant to incentive recycling

Unless there is a law that says you can only recycle goods in the state they were purchased in, this is just frivolous in my opinion. If any company did this (they do things like this all the time btw, it's literally the principle that drives outsourcing jobs/manufacturing/etc), it would be called good business sense. Rephrased my second portion which was overly cynical/came off as rude. As a Californian myself, if I really want to protect the environment, shouldn't we be taking outsourced materials that won't be recycled otherwise? As of 2021, we only recycled a little more than half of all bottles and cans, and we don't have enough recycling centers to service metro areas, Riverside and SB counties included. If the CRV really is a recycling incentive, and not a revenue generating tax (which it is - 90% of Californians don't get their CRVs back because they do in the recycling container they ALSO pay monthly for), and we have a surplus of the CRV, shouldn't we be okay with going above and beyond?

If you don’t pay the deposit, but try to claim it, that’s fraud.

So you want to start arresting all the homeless and underprivileged that spend 10-12 hours a day can diving to make ends meet? I personally do not have that level in my heart.

[–] morphballganon 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So according to you, a guy picks up a dollar off the street, tries to spend it, that's fraud?

[–] jeffw 1 points 1 year ago

If it involves transporting goods across state lines? Yeah, probably

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, only billionaires are allowed to do such a thing, and make money like this. How dare they!

[–] BadAdvice 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Something very screwy going on with the numbers in this article. Says this family made 7.6 million dollars recycling 178 tons of cans and bottles over 8 months. Then it says another group was caught doing basically the same thing the year before but made over 10 million dollars recycling only 9 tons of cans and bottles. Wtf?

[–] ma11en 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not just the recycled weight but the 5-10 cents per item which bumps up the value.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Worked at a recycle depot once and paid out $200 for a bag of 5 hour energy drinks (RIP heart). The same bag of cans would have been around $10~$15.

I also became interested, this article includes sale price of alluminum for 2019, some implications of China's restrictions from 2018, and what the Ont. government was aledgedgly doing to undermine recycling.

[–] BadAdvice 2 points 1 year ago

No I get that, but if they're just scrapping the aluminum then they wouldn't be in trouble for scamming the CV tax. Only way 9 tons of aluminum or glass is worth 10 mil is with a whole mess of cv fraud, but 178 tons of scrap aluminum and glass for 7 and a half mil? Sounds about right. Something is very weird with these numbers.

[–] Derpstick76 4 points 1 year ago

Times are tough with inflation. Ya got to do what ya can to get thru.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’d like to know more about their operation. Where we all these cans coming from? How were they moving them?

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