Perhaps Kent could maybe follow the contributing guidelines instead of being an obstinate child???
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Seems Overstreet is just pissy that he can't talk to people on the kernel mailing list like it's 2005 anymore. "Get the fuck out of here with this shit," indeed.
Get your head examined. And get the fuck out of here with this shit.
Yes, language like this is clearly unacceptable in a productive discussion.
Offtopic, but this reminded me that the Linux kernel has a CoC. Aren't the recent comments by Linus on the removal of russian maintainers, where he called several kernel developers paid actors, a CoC violation as well? Or have these comments w.r.t. to the CoC already been discussed?
where he called several kernel developers paid actors
He didn't. He (rightly) called out people who have never contributed to the kernel and posted flame replies to the initial announcement on the mailing list.
This isn't some wild conspiracy theory either, this is a thing Russia actually does: cause disarray and split "western" communities; divide and conquer. It's an their explicit goal of the Kremlin to do this; there's credible accounts of that.
If you want a community that's resistant to such influences, you ought to call this sort of thing out whenever you see it.
Thanks for your reply! Linus didn't only call out people posting flame replies, but also folks interested in a serious discussion on that topic, who also contributed to the kernel before (see PeterCxy's blog: https://typeblog.net/55833/getting-called-paid-actor-by-linus-torvalds). Most people simply wanted to know specifically which compliance requirement lead to the removal of russian maintainers. Linus never responded to these questions and called out people asking for that as russian trolls. AFAIK we still don’t know the exact reasons for the removal, which is just intransparent.
IMO By not answering these reasonable questions and calling people out as russian trolls, Linus did exactly what russian trolls want: cause disarray in the kernel community.
Linus didn't only call out people posting flame replies, but also folks interested in a serious discussion on that topic, who also contributed to the kernel before (see PeterCxy's blog: https://typeblog.net/55833/getting-called-paid-actor-by-linus-torvalds).
Here's what he actually said:
I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.
That's ambiguous at best.
I find it more likely that it's targetted at the greater crowd replying to that thread rather than this person specifically due to it's general tone. If Linus thinks you are full of shit, you can be that he will call you out specifically rather than wording it like this.
AFAIK we still don’t know the exact reasons for the removal, which is just intransparent.
We do: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Compliance-Requirements.
Almost universally, any time there's a power vacuum (whether in the first larger-than-tribes societies, or in societies where state power has become weak), the first authority figures that fill the power vacuum are dicks
- Main authority on bcachefs
wielding real power, in ways that feel quite uncomfortable.
Yes, it's called feeling guilty about others calling out your attitude. Most people who aren't power seeking assholes experience that feeling regularly and have learned to deal with it.
Couples therapists say they can tell within a few minutes if a couple is worth working with or not: if it's anger they're displaying, then that's something that can be worked through. If it's dismissiveness, all hope is lost.
Imagine getting told by a couples therapist that they can't see your relationship working out... And then you go on a big rant saying how you should still be together?
On the quotes: these are just, like, your opinons, man.
so next we can expect a tirade from Hans Reiser now that ReiserFS was deleted from the kernel?
Did you literally not even read your own link?
Overstreet needs to hire someone to do all of his communications + public relations + LKML patches/pull requests. The behavior is going to get one of the most exciting filesystems in a long time yanked & momentum die just from the we he handles conflict.
A little off-topic: anyone else read this as "BCA Chefs", initially?
Every single time. I know how I'm supposed to read it, I know what it means and where it comes from, but I physically cannot read it any other way.
Worst name ever.
I heard on cachyos forums that the maintainer of bcachefs can be quirky.
quirky
From the little I've been reading Kent Overstreet just sounds like an incredibly arrogant developer with some talent.
It reeks of someone whose opinion of themselves exceeds their ability.
I think I worded it differently.
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