when do you think the Palestinians will give up and sue for peace?
or is this like afghanistan where the dead are martyrs and they’ll just keep throwing bodies at the problem until Israel gets bored and goes home?
this post was submitted on 30 Oct 2024
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Hamas has participated in negotiations for a ceasefire since November 2023. The facts indicate the Israeli government doesn't actually want a ceasefire.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg742e3rexo
Qatar’s foreign minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani said Qatari mediators had "re-engaged" with Hamas since Sinwar's death, but there was “no clarity” over the groups current plans with regards to ceasefire talks.
looks like there’s “no clarity” on whether or not they find their own countrymen dying an issue
guess you’ll need to recheck your “facts”
You asked:
when do you think the Palestinians will give up and sue for peace?
And I gave you an answer that they've been in ceasefire negotiations since November 2023. It's been on-and-off, sure, but your question was when would they sue for peace and the answer is that they have done already.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg742e3rexo
Qatar’s foreign minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani said Qatari mediators had “re-engaged” with Hamas since Sinwar’s death, but there was “no clarity” over the groups current plans with regards to ceasefire talks.
ABC News quotes a Hamas official here:
A senior Hamas official says the group has told Egyptian officials it was ready to stop fighting in Gaza if Israel committed to a ceasefire deal.
The official said on Thursday a Hamas delegation discussed "ideas and proposals" related to a Gaza truce with Egyptian officials in Cairo.
"Hamas has expressed readiness to stop the fighting, but Israel must commit to a ceasefire, withdraw from the Gaza Strip, allow the return of displaced people, agree to a serious prisoner exchange deal and allow the entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza," the official said.
source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-25/ceasefire-talks-in-doha-hamas-israel-gaza/104515680
guess you’ll need to recheck your “facts”
Firstly: Rude.
Secondly: Do you think "the Israeli government doesn’t actually want a ceasefire" is an original observation of mine, or something?
“But we are committed to continuing the war after a pause, in order to complete the goal of eliminating Hamas. I’m not willing to give up on that.”
- Benjamin Netanyahu, June 2024
See also:
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/20/why-netanyahu-wont-let-israel-stop-fighting-after-killing-hamass-sinwar
- https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/01/middleeast/ceasefire-hostage-deal-talks-tensions-israel-intl/index.html
- https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/why-netanyahu-wont-cease-fire
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/7/the-goal-is-to-destroy-gaza-why-israel-rejects-a-ceasefire-with-hamas
Imagine not knowing anything about the region and asking "wHEn pAlEStiNiaNs gIvE uP".
Do you also ask "when will Ukraine give up and sue for peace"?
Imagine not knowing anything about the region
Maybe that's just me, I wouldn't run head first into a tank, get shot, then rely on western left wing progressives a million miles away for support, ironically the people you would least expect to stand up for a right wing hardliners, and some of you are still confused why this has split the left in two. You claim to hate Trump yet stand up for people who vote for and support people who are far more aggressive and less progressive than Trump could ever dream to be.
But it's funny you mention Ukraine as this just came up:
“We captured a lot of Russian weapons from HAMAS, may send them to Ukraine,” says Israeli politician
Weapons seized in Gaza should go to Kyiv since Ukraine and Israel face the same enemies, says Amir Weitmann, chairman of the liberals in the Israeli-governing Likud Party.
What are Russian weapons doing in Gaza? Most likely donated from the Iranian Regime right? Another lovely group of people you probably support without realising.
Do you also ask “when will Ukraine give up and sue for peace”?
Firstly no, because it was Palestine that invaded Israel on Oct 7th, primarily targeting anything with a heartbeat in some of the most disgusting acts I've seen since... the last Islamist attack probably a few weeks before
That invasion and genocide attempt was supported by the Palestinians and they have shown repeatedly in polls since then that they continue to support Hamas and it's military tactics with support levels that would make most European leaders blush.
JERUSALEM, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found.
On top of this if the Palestinian army wants to spare women and children from death it is free to fight the IDF on the battlefield just like Ukraine and Russia, but it won't because it'll lose, so instead it relies on this shoot out of schools, hospitals, and standing on top of women and children tactic which has obvious consequences they have accepted.
Secondly Ukraine has clearly indicated that it is a western ally and has values similar to ours, unlike Palestine which we have nothing in common with and shares none of our values.
You want me to stand up for these people?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpw5v077nyjo
Yazidi woman rescued from Gaza after decade in captivity
A Yazidi woman who was kidnapped aged 11 in Iraq by the Islamic State group and subsequently taken to Gaza has been rescued after more than a decade in captivity there, officials from Israel, the US and Iraq said.
In numerous Yazidi villages, the population was rounded up. Men and boys over the age of 14 were separated from women and girls. The men were then led away and shot, while the women were abducted as the "spoils of war".
The Israeli military said the now 21-year-old's captor in Gaza had been killed during the ongoing war between Israel and the Palestinian armed group Hamas, probably as a result of an air strike.
What do you think the chances of finding an ISIS kidnapped sex slave in Ukraine is?
and finally the first thing me and the Saudi crown prince agree on:
Saudi crown prince said he personally 'doesn't care' about Palestinian issue
In his conversation with Blinken, the Saudi crown prince allegedly remarked, “Seventy percent of my population is younger than me. For most of them, they never really knew much about the Palestinian issue. And so they are being introduced to it for the first time through this conflict. It’s a huge problem. Am I personally interested in the Palestinian issue? I don’t but my people do so I have to make sure that’s meaningful.”
So yeah, if I was a Palestinian I'd probably be dead because I'd rather work with the Israeli's like Egypt and Jordan than have a stupid idiotic pointless war that somehow all 10 collective braincells of all Hamas members couldn't rub together to realise this was going to end badly for them.
Lots of text, biased sources and assumptions about me. And then the same shit you said earlier. Learn about the region, about its history, stop spouting bullshit. There is so much wrong about what you have just written that I'll not even delve into refuting every single thing you have said.
Learn about the region, about its history
Nah, I'm good, Ukraine needs my support, they are culturally similar to me and they are fighting a genuine evil dictatorship that doesn't want to surrender.
Israel literally gave Gaza back to them, it would have been so easy for them to just get to work and stop firing rockets, but when you immediately democratically vote in the guys that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter
The original Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and described its members to be god-fearing Muslims raising the banner of Jihad (armed struggle) in "the face of the oppressors." The charter defines the struggle to be against the Jews and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in all of former Mandatory Palestine, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[4][5][6] The charter has been criticized for its use of antisemitic language,[7][8] which some commentators have characterized as incitement to genocide.[9][10] In 2017 Hamas released a new "Document of General Principles", sometimes called the 2017 charter.[11] While this did not repudiate the 1988 charter, it stated that Hamas's struggle was with Zionists, not Jews.[12][13][14][15]
What? Israel is angry at them after they tried to genocide it using classic islamic state jihadi tactics??? what??
Again, lots of text and zero understanding of the history of the region. But at least you added the "I don't like brown people" to your post, so I guess you get points for honesty.