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"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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Can These Self-Charging E-Bike Libraries Bring Mobility to Low-Income Communities? (nextcity.org)

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In Massachusetts, income-qualified residents can rent an e-bike for a dollar a day.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Non-income-qualified users pay $1 to start and $0.15 per minute for a maximum cost of $12 per day.

Ouch. I'm not non-income, but $12 a day to get around sounds crazy expensive compared to owning an e-scooter or getting a used bike.

On this program, just two short, 20-minute trips, and you're already at $7! Do that a few times per week, and you're at $100+ a month... wait at a couple of red lights per trip and you're bleeding money away.

To compare, you can get a Ninebot Max from Amazon USA with a zero-interest, 12-month payment plan of under $70 / month. It requires no maintenance, can be ridden in all weather (except deep snow, obviously), is super portable, and gets excellent range. And you get to ride it for hours a day without paying by the minute!

I wonder if the people who put together these programs actually do the math, because I can't see this being of tremendous value to low/no-income families.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't see rental bikes on a daily rate as a primary mode of transportation. Plenty of people only come into the city on certain days, or visit cities they don't live in, or otherwise just need to get around a single place they would've walked. They need the ability to start and stop in arbitrary places, and not bring something with them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Keep in mind that this program is for people who likely have no other means to get around, so it would be their main form of transportation.

As a personal example, before my son could get a licence, he used an e-scooter to get to his school co-op placement on a daily basis. He would have used local rentals, but it was cheaper to own one.

But from what I hear about places that offer rental prpgrams on a monthly program, they do get used very often as a main form of transportation. And plenty of people, regardless of their income, use a bike as their main form of transportation, too.

[–] njordomir 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's more in line with how I've seen these programs pitched in the past. Tourist bikes and downtown bikes to provide options in car-congested areas. I used them in Honolulu, Karlsruhe, Denver, and a number of other places and it was always because I was visiting without a car.

Having said all that, I spoke with someone from my local bikeshare recently who told me they're doing a low income program where you can actually own the bike after you've used the program a certain amount of time. We are very suburban with skeleton transit in most areas, so you can't cover the distances without a car or bike.

[–] sensiblepuffin 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Something I think you may not be considering is availability of funds for lower-income folks - it's easy for us to say "why not just pay $70/month instead of paying $12/day", but... what if they literally don't have $70? What if they don't qualify for the payment plan because of bad/no credit? Let us not forget the story of Samuel Vimes and his 'Boots' Theory of Socio-economic Unfairness.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it’s easy for us to say “why not just pay $70/month instead of paying $12/day”, but… what if they literally don’t have $70?

How are they paying for the rentals? Some would be easily spending more than $70, so it kind of begs the question: how are any of these people able to afford the rentals? Buying would be cheaper!

The saying "it's expensive to be poor" certainly rings true here. I'm not really suggesting that those folks finance an e-scooter, since that would imply they have the financial means and credit rating to.

But it would be more cost-effective and provide a greater benefit for that state or local government to cover the cost of owning e-mobility devices, since these are really only going to a small percent of their total population.

And in my example, $70 was for a brand name, high-end of the <$1000 e-scooters. You can get a different model for half that amount, which would be like three days of renting one of those bikes, and you'd still end up saving money in the end. It's like spend a dollar and save 10!

But I do get what you're saying. I'm hoping these people can afford whatever allows them the mobility they need in their lives (plus, riding an e-bike will improve other aspects of their mental/physical health, too).

[–] sensiblepuffin 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think we're both on the same page - I would love if there were similar federal programs for low-income people to get scooters/e-bikes just like we have for cell phones right now, since it's kind of required to get to work in most metropolitan areas and most cities don't have good transit options.

All I was saying before is that if they straight up never have more than $50 to their name, they're going to pay $7 a day as opposed to $30 a week, which would be more cost effective.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

For sure on the same page overall.

We can agree to disagree on what's easier to afford (higher monthly vs lower daily), but I would absolutely love to see better programs to make micromobility more accessible to low-income families and individuals.

It's not like giving someone a car (re: cost, both ongoing and up front), so I think governments should explore this.

And hell, while they are at it, expand on incentive programs for everyone who wants to replace their car with a bike, e-bike, e-scooter, or anything else. It'll save taxpayers a ton of money in the long-term.

[–] waz 3 points 1 month ago

This feels like a relevant situation to bring up one of my favorite Terry Pratchett quotes:

The Sam Vimes "Boots" theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

[–] NickwithaC 0 points 1 month ago

A band-aid-on-a-broken-leg solution that might help mobility where what would definitely help mobility is paying them more.