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[–] njm1314 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's only one way to do that though

[–] Ptsf 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Must be a bug. Couldn't possibly be a feature...

[–] njm1314 -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't have to be if they weren't lazy and only wanted to vote in presidential elections. Uncommitted might as well be code for uninterested. Cuz they'll go to sleep for four more years after this.

[–] Ptsf 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you can justifiably blame the voting base without also addressing the issue that the disinfranchisement is the direct result of years of work from both “sides” of politicians on the behalf of the bourgeoisie. Anything short of a revolutionary party targeting transition of our government to a more representively democratic structure with additional parties, viewpoints, and stronger individual representation is just kicking the can.

[–] njm1314 -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I absolutely can because I can see numbers. I can see numbers of my own local community. Numbers that show disengagement. Numbers that show that during a presidential election tons more people vote than any other year. Consistently. Numbers that show a city council getting elected by an extremely small voting base in my area because most people can't be bothered. People always complain about 'oh we need revolutionary change' but you can make revolutionary change on your local level and people just don't bother. Things that affect their day-to-day life are decided all the time by a small number of people who show up.

[–] Ptsf 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cool. So you understand that level of disinfranchisement is driven by politicians, right?... Or are you that daft that you really think everyone just doesn't care?

[–] njm1314 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I absolutely think that people don't care.

[–] Ptsf 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're so fucking close. Alright, now squeeze those two brain cells together. Let's make a spark. "Why don't they care?". Hint: It's not laziness.

[–] njm1314 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

100% laziness. You people are here like it's some Grand conspiracy and I just find that so naive. Yeah a lot of people are lazy yeah most people don't pay attention that's the reality. Most people don't want to know how the sausage is made. Have you ever spoken to the average person? I find it impossible to believe that you speak to average people everyday and you've come to the conclusion that they all would be passionate voters where they're not an evil cabal of politicians trying to keep them down. Most people don't even know when elections happen. Just last fall I went to a store which was across the street from a polling place covered in signs with people outside campaigning this woman at the register saw my I just voted pin and asked me if there was election that day. You really think she didn't know because she was engaged but couldn't vote because of politicians or because she just didn't care?

[–] Ptsf 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're literally missing the plot; engaging with cognitive dissonance. It's not laziness, it's years and years of voter surpression and disenfranchisement. How can you be so blindly stubbornly ignorant? 😮‍💨

[–] njm1314 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is just a childish argument you're making here. You just want a simple answer. You want something convenient and easy to wave your hand at. It's so much easier to believe in some giant cabal than understand that politics is a matter of working. It's getting on the streets knocking on doors and building engagement when the natural state of things is disengagement. 2/3 of Voters are disengaged by Nature, the key to Victory is grabbing half of them and getting their votes. It's waking them up. It's convincing them.

Also if you want people that believe your arguments try actually making an argument instead of just resorting to insults. You've literally not tried once in our entire interaction.

[–] Ptsf 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not interested in arguing with someone so dense. You can investigate voter suppression and disinfranchisement, maybe enlighten yourself, or you can continue to blame your fellow voters for everything and see how far that gets you. Either way neither of us will be able to affect change, but at least I'll be able to sleep at night without being a ignorant rube too high on his own self-righteous "I care about politics!" Copium to realize that politics and politicans have had a vested interest in a lack of public participation for years and they've acted upon that interest. There's no cabal, conspiracy, or shadow nonsense it's happening in broad daylight right in front of you. Gerrymandering, electoral college votes, voter suppression via voting location reduction, campaigns against proven safe mail in voting. Idk how you're so fucking dense, but hey, you vote so for my own vested interests sake (because I don't want it to be this way) I waste air and time responding to you, although it's becoming abundantly clear you'd rather root yourself in ignorance and victim blaming.

[–] njm1314 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And there it is. Neither of us will be able to affect change you say. That's the real core of your argument here. You just want an excuse not to do anything. Some of us affect change every day. Some of us are out there knocking on doors while you sit on your couch.

[–] Ptsf 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jesus fuck my guy; you're so fucking attached to your self righteousness it's egregious. If you honestly believe you're affecting change in a system this large by having the viewpoints and attitude you do, you're delusional. Nobody wants your bullshit door to door. They feel and are disinfranchised. If your creepy ass showed up to my door, I'd shut it on you because it's fucking weird and stupid given a modern understanding of politics to campaign that way. You're an old man working in DOS, but times have changed. They've left you behind. Be mad about it if you want, but you've got nobody to blame except perhaps the very "parties" you're aiming to aid.

[–] njm1314 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Enjoy sitting alone on a couch complaining that you can't do anything while the world moves around you. You've created a lot of justification for yourself.

[–] Ptsf 0 points 3 months ago

Enjoy squirming around relentlessly and bitterly while the world continues on as it has and will despite your struggles.

[–] TinklesMcPoo 1 points 3 months ago

We don't endorse Harris, but we don't want you to vote Trump, and please don't vote 3rd party.

So... Harris then?

Seems like a way to condemn Harris' non-committal to addressing the genocide occurring in Gaza and continued arms support whilst in a roundabout way saying vote for Harris.