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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by jordanlund to c/politics
 

"Progressives should not make the same mistake that Ernst Thälmann made in 1932. The leader of the German Communist Party, Thälmann saw mainstream liberals as his enemies, and so the center and left never joined forces against the Nazis. Thälmann famously said that 'some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest' of social democrats, whom he sneeringly called 'social fascists.'

After Adolf Hitler gained power in 1933, Thälmann was arrested. He was shot on Hitler’s orders in Buchenwald concentration camp in 1944."

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[–] yogurtwrong 4 points 3 months ago

Not a single party on the face of the earth is gonna switch to an alternative voting system. Democracy devolving into 2 parties is a problem in nearly every country and unfortunately the ones who can make the change are the ones who benefit from first pass the post voting

No "democratic" party is gonna switch to STAR or a similar voting system unless the citizens start being very loud.

On other hand, radicalizing people to support alternative voting is also very hard, because it is hard to explain and hard to understand for majority of people and its often viewed as if the supporter is trying to benefit from the said change and trying to sabotage democracy, when in reality, they are the ones who want real democracy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (25 children)

I’m planning on voting PSL and you can too.

They’re running de la Cruz on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to Israel.

[–] jordanlund 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

PSL and De La Cruz are only on the ballot in 18 states for 220 Electoral College votes. They literally cannot win.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_access_in_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election

Taking votes away from Harris only helps Trump.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If winning were the only effect that voting had then you’d have a great point.

No ones taking votes away from Harris, if she wants to get psl voters she can take up policy positions they support.

[–] jordanlund 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Winning really is the only effect and sometimes, not even then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Votes are used to determine ballot access in future elections, funding, event presence and of course, by the two major parties to figure out where they could pick up an electoral vote or two by tacking a third parties platform onto their own.

Why some parties and political movements even use voting as a means to organize and raise awareness around their platforms and issues!

[–] jordanlund 3 points 3 months ago (8 children)

No third party has reached those thresholds in years.

2020:

  1. Democratic - 51.31%
  2. Republican - 46.85%
  3. Libertarian - 1.18%

2016:

  1. Republican - 46.09%
  2. Democratic - 48.18%
  3. Libertarian - 3.28%

2012:

  1. Democratic - 51.06%
  2. Republican - 47.20%
  3. Libertarian - 0.99%

2008:

  1. Democratic - 52.93%
  2. Republican - 45.65%
  3. Ralph Nader - 0.56%

2004:

  1. Republican - 50.73%
  2. Democratic - 48.27%
  3. Ralph Nader - 0.38%

2000:

  1. Republican - 47.86%
  2. Democratic - 48.38%
  3. Ralph Nader - 2.74%
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (25 children)

If you live outside the ~5 swing states that decide the election you can go ahead and ignore stuff like this saying you can’t vote third party.

Shoutout PSL

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