Both Moscow and NATO have so-called 'red lines' that could trigger outright war between them.
The conflict in Ukraine now involves many countries, with western weapons being used against Russia.
So are these red lines shifting?
And is there a greater risk of a wider war?
Presenter: Folly Bah Thibault
Guests: Dmitry Babich, deputy foreign editor of the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper in Moscow
Peter Zalmayev, Executive Director of the Eurasia Democracy Initiative in Kyiv
Ben Aris, editor of bne IntelliNews in Berlin
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