Meanwhile, a bundle of sticks is part of fascist iconography. Not saying anything about your views, just commenting on the image.
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Not really, but kind of. The bundle of sticks parable was a separate thing for most of the history of the symbol until it was partly merged into the meaning in the 1600s or so. I'd argue even then the difference is cooperation to resist vs the subservience of a peasant empowering the person who oppresses him under the guise of harming their enemies.
Thanks for the details. I always appreciate having more context.
So the evil fascists got one thing right. They probably also thought the sky was blue.
We need to reclaim basic concepts when they're coopted.
Haha, true! I had a similar thought:
"together strong" can be said by any group. Especially fascists, who very much value a sense of community and strength internally.
But really, it can apply to all kinds of governments ("Together for the king!") and economies (like corporation, which is pretty much 'together strong' in capitalist speak).
So I think if one wants to make a point why their system is favorable over other systems, they should not emphasize the one point they all have in common, but highlight where and how it makes a difference.
I'll just assume OP did that IRL. Memes are undercomplex.
They stole it from the Greeks. The fasces is everywhere.
The difference is the apes bundle of sticks reinforce each other, to make a larger, more durable unit, while the fascist's bundle of sticks is only there to protect the ax handle. Those sticks are disposable and replaceable for the preservation of the ax, that's their purpose.
most people who hate socialism don't even know what it is, but will reel at the mere mention of it. how do we even begin to fix this?
My aunt. We sat down and got to talking policy. Not politics. And I went point by point over policy and proved to her that she was a socialist.
But as soon as I said the scary S word her pavlovian conditioning kicked in and she tore off on a rant.
Try it yourselves. This country is filled with socialists. They just don't know it.
Hide under the beds folks she said the word veganism!
Normies are not afraid of socialism. American 'normies' may be but most of the world sees socialism as a legit political orientation
There's an episode of the last of us about this, a dude denies his community being socialist and a woman corrects him saying that yeah, by definition they are a socialist community.
Looking forward to more Last of us episodes!
In my country people really like socialism. Despite the fact it never really worked lol
I just use an analogy and tell them that at the end of the day, what I believe boils down to this:
If $100 of my taxes is going towards healthcare, then I want $100 used ON my healthcare. I don't want that $100 given to a company that is then profit-motivated to spend $20 and pocket the rest.
I find that those who despise socialism in America...
Not only do not know what it is but have no idea just how socialistic America is. They don't realize that we have extensive socialist support.... For the Wealthy