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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think it's really smart to build their own DE without any of the baggage the existing ones have. With so many smart dedicated engineers, I think it will evolve very quickly and probably become better than Gnome in about a year.

[–] Quackdoc 3 points 4 months ago

I mean, It's already faster for me as well as being more reliable. I would already put it in the "better then gnome" category.

[–] Defaced -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure smart is the right thing to say here, system76 backed themselves into a corner by criticizing gnome. They either had to do their own thing or put up with it, they clearly decided to do their own thing and show gnome how they think a DE should be managed. However there are other ways to handle it and Linux mint has done an amazing job with cinnamon and mate.

[–] Quackdoc 10 points 4 months ago

system76 backed themselves into a corner by criticizing gnome

what does this even mean? S76 had been supporting gnome for a long time, and gnome never because anything actually good. Gnome is still a complete mess the second you try to do tweaking, it still has horrible performance, and the devs are still a pain to interact with.

It's not like S76 just one day started having issues with gnome, S76 had been investing both development time and financially to the gnome project for years. PopOS was always going to eventually migrate away from gnome, because gnome is simply not a good DE for a paid product, and Gnome devs seem to have zero interesting in making it one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah but why not do their own thing though? Specially with the caliber of engineers they have there. They write a full desktop environment from scratch in a year or so? That's incredible.

Sorry you got downvoted for having an opinion, that's not me doing it.

[–] Defaced 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it's fine, there are a ton of pop_os fanboys out there, I'm just stating a fact. System76 complained about the gnome 40 changes over and over and the gnome devs ignored them, their only option was to make their own DE or use something else and they clearly didn't want to be at the mercy of another group of developers. I'm excited for cosmic as a true original DE in the style of gnome, but at the same time it's going to be rough around the edges because it's new.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah I expect it to be alpha quality for at least six months but they will get there. To me, a new DE in the linux space is much more exciting than what Apple it doing.

I was going through their new features here: https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/

Honestly, it's just bling bling for screen savers and desktop widgets and video conferencing. It feels like a patch rather than a full release. And don't get me started on windows, I dont think they care anymore about their OS.