Do the IDF soldiers stop following these illegal orders at some point? Or have they been desensitized to what they’re doing?
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You’re speaking like they don’t want to do this of their own accord?
if any soldier (IDF or not) refuses orders they will either be shot on site or imprisoned unless they either have enough $$$ or connections to overturn it.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense
(ethics, international law, idiomatic) An explanation offered as an excuse for behaving in a criminal or wrongful manner, claiming that one acted in this way because one was ordered by others (particularly superiors) to do so.
What if the soldiers and superiors stop shooting people on the spot. Okay wait, wait. What if... people stop obeying some lunatic single elderly people that tell us to kill other men, period, and just... not do it?
That would be neat. Imagine if humans knew what it means to be many against few, strong against weak. What we could accomplish...
There was a massive protest by ex military and general public demanding the right of raping Palestinians. This is not about elderly people deploying orders.
But where are they getting the idea that this is morally correct? Indoctrination. If our governments had no such power to influence its population, and/or limit its access to the truth, we could be so much wiser as a world population.
But it most certainly is, in general, about elderly giving orders. So many soldiers do not want to go to war. You really think the majority of soldiers in the world want to be in a war? That is ridiculous.
Can you cite this for me? I need to read up. Somehow I’ve been understanding that they were protesting in support of the Palestinians.
Jesus, you want a citation for this?
There have been protests inside Israel for ceasefire, the org Standing Together has done a lot of good organizing inside the country.
But one thing that Oct.7 accomplished was show the divisions in society wrt Palestinian apartheid. Its getting more difficult for people who can't abide it to coexist with people who are okay with it; and the people who believe there should be even more brutality and violence against Palestinians are becoming a major problem for both of those groups. The state of Israel is fracturing, while groups like the PFLP, Hamas and Fatah are coming together for the first time in decades. While some of the tactics of Hamas are unconscionable, and Fatah has a long collaborationist history with Israel, it definitely indicates a dramatic change of the dynamics in the region. We'll see what holds together and what breaks apart. Its very sad that Marwan Barghouti is currently imprisoned, he's one of the most popular figures in Palestine whereas Fatah and Hamas are fairly unpopular
People like citation so as to not blindly believe anything and everything they just mindlessly read on the internet. Its kinda suspicious that youre being antagonistic about someone wanting to see a source on an outrageous claim like that.
I didn't mean it to be antagonistic, and I provided a source. Its just such a disgusting story, bereft of any humanity. I wish I had never heard about it, I just couldn't believe someone wanted to like read about it
What we could accomplish…
a lot outside the military.
there is no such thing as an egalitarian military; they're tools of oppression and hegemony, not improvement.
Yeah, no, what I meant was to imagine what we could accomplish as a world population, if we realized that the many outrank the few, and we just stopped fighting each other. That would speed us all along so freaking fast, towards daily food and water and shelter for every single person on earth.
But no, we gotta kill each other for nonsense.
No sane military in the world does that anymore. Although I do doubt the sanity of the IDF
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If the Israeli government was trying to nationalize their oil or mining resources, we'd invade their ass so fucking fast; but they're just murdering tens or hundreds of thousands of people, starving children, bombing infrastructure, destroying culture, and traumatizing generations, so let's just ask sternly for a cease fire, and frown a bit for the cameras -- if that
Add another one to the list.
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please don't share MSN links
Not OP, but why? Is there a reason to hate MSN now?
They take lots of time to load for me at least, they sometimes won't show (there is a continue reading button that sometimes only asks to login) and most annoyingly they have more visibility than the original article from the original news site, which is harder to find in first place and msn doesn't even link to. Those are my personal gripes with it.
There were Hamas leaders in the pipes!
Yeah but Israel says there's a Top Hamas Leader inside every civilian target! So that means it's totally 100% A-Okay to start blastin'. Totally what the "good guys" do! ;)
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