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Hey, folks. I'm new to this whole Fediverse thing. One of the things I've been most excited try out is the whole cross platform aspect, where you can follow peertube/mastodon/lemmy accounts from the other sites. I have my reddit account mostly switched over. I went through and found (I think) all of the communities I follow that have a presence on Lemmy. I'd like to start following some Mastodon accounts from my Lemmy if possible, but all the instructions I find when searching it talk about following Lemmy from Mastodon, not the other way around. When I copy the Mastodon links and search them within Lemmy, no results are found. I've tried through a browser, through Jerboa, and through Connect.

Can anyone help me?

Please and thank you!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As I understand it, Lemmy does not have that capability yet and is one of the distinguishing factors between Lemmy and Kbin which allows mastodon account following. You can see mastodon content, just can't follow. (I believe)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I think mastodon users can see lemmy content and even post. But yeah we don't have that... yet!

[–] DharmaCurious 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm still not entirely sure what kbin is. Is there a mobile app for it?

[–] solidgrue 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kbin is a parallel project to Lemmy in the Fediverse, one which launched some months ago. Lemmy has been around a couple of years. Both Kbin and Lemmy structure content similarly to reddit's subreddit topics, where Kbin calls them "magazines" and Lemmy calls them "communities." Topic threads are nested chains of comments and replies with inline media and a 10k character limit. Instances of Kbin and Lemmy can and do interact, with users from either community participating transparently in posts and discussions.

In a technical sense, Kbin is implemented in PHP, where Lemmy is implemented in Rust.

Kbin is also able to interact more closely with Mastodon instances, users and content. With an account on a Kbin instance, you can follow, boost and reduce Mastodon content, in addition to up voting or down voting it.

Kbin also natively displays a user reputation score which is similar to reddit karma, as the net value of boosts less reduces. Up and down votes are (seemingly) not tracked in the aggregate. Lemmy does not expose these stats in the default UI, though there are API endpoints that return this dats

A final distinction (at least that I know about) is that Lemmy exposes an API for 3rd party access and supporting 3rd party apps. Kbin does not yet have a pu loc API, though I understand that one is under development and is currently under review.

So to answer your question: no, i don't believe there are no apps for Kbin yet, but app developers have indicated their intent to support Kbin when it is more mature.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I'm currently reading this and commenting from kbin.social on mobile. It just looks like any other thread.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Couple corrections on the rep technicalities: Upvotes didn't count for rep at first, but they have for a few weeks now. For mastodon integration, upvote = favorite(like). Reduces and "downvotes" are not separate functions; a downvote IS a "reduce" and it's always had a rep impact.

[–] solidgrue 1 points 1 year ago

Awesome, thanks for the clarifications, they're appreciated!

I have an account on kbin, but I mostly post over here in Lemmy. Haven't really kept up with the Kbin side of the 'verse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

There is no mobile app yet, one is supposed to release on September 1st. It's in beta now, so you could still sign up ( app name: Artemis).

Other than that, kbin is available in website form. It's pretty similar to Lemmy except you can also follow specific users. You can see Lemmy content from kbin and vice versa.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No app, but its native web interface is pretty competent.

If you know what lemmy is, you already know what kbin is. It's essentially the same idea, just with more integration with the microblog side of the fediverse. Communities ("magazines") also have a microblog tab which kbin users can post to, which is great for informal posts that don't really warrant their own threads ("I tried (product) and I'm really enjoying it so far," or "the latest episode of (show) was great," or "(boss) in (game) is BS"). This tab also collects posts from mastodon users that use hashtags defined by magazine mods.

The largest instance is at kbin.social, though it might be best to spread out a bit; kbin is still pretty new and there's been a rush to the main dev's server in the snoopocalypse.

[–] DharmaCurious 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you! I'll check it out! :)

Also, I just want to say, I've had interactions that are so much nicer, more genuinely helpful, on the fediverse side of things. The culture around here is just better, it seems.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think you can interact with Mastodon from Lemmy, but you can do the reverse.

[–] DharmaCurious 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I know I can do it the other way around. I was just hoping to do it through Lemmy, since I've already followed just about everything I can think of on here. I was hoping for, like, one superfeed, with mastodon, peertube, Lemmy together.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's never worked for me no matter what I try. Lemmy seems to be built only to follow communities, not users. πŸ₯²

[–] DharmaCurious 1 points 1 year ago

Dang. Well, c'est la vie, I suppose. Thanks for replying!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I’m really curious about this too, also interested in kbin integration. It’s a selling point for the fediverse but I haven’t seen it in action yet.

I’m assuming it’s in the works and we just gotta be patient, but maybe someone else can clarify.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've basically gotten your answer from the other comments, but you happened to pick the one fediverse platform that doesn't really federate well. Lemmy (I believe by design) only federates with kbin and that's about it. Kbin on the other hand federates with both Lemmy and mastodon/firefish (formerly Calckey).

And just a note, with the activitypub protocol, all platforms have the option to federate with every other activitypub platform, but not all choose to, and not everything at that. So while you can follow Mastodon/firefish from, say, Pixelfed, it'll only populate the photos, not the text only posts.

If you really want to follow Masto/firefish, you'd be better off with kbin as I don't believe Lemmy has that on their roadmap. Unfortunately, there isn't a migration option yet, so you'd have to refollow the same communities all over again from kbin.

[–] DharmaCurious 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really appreciate the reply. I think I'm going to stick with Lemmy for now, since it has a mobile app I enjoy, and I'm mobile the vast majority of the time. I'll just also make a mastodon, and follow the other things on there. Maybe when Kbin gets a mobile app I'll consider switching.

I'm seriously in awe of how people act on this side of things. A dozen replies, none of them hostile. I never got that on the other site! Lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I get it. I still flinch when I see I have new messages waiting. But the fediverse is generally a pretty pleasant place and we work hard to keep it that way.

There's nothing wrong with having separate accounts either, I do. But if you're going to check out mastodon, I'd recommend also checking out firefish as well.

They're both the "twitters" of the fediverse, so like kbin and Lemmy here. Mastodon is more for people who want a simple interface with fewer options, whereas Firefish has a sleeker more customizable interface with a lot more options and features. And it has a wonderful onboarding process. They'll both get you the same content, so it's whichever one you like better.

[–] DharmaCurious 2 points 1 year ago

I'll do that! Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is more of a support question around using Lemmy. Please see the sidebar for communities that offer support. Removing under rule #3.

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