this post was submitted on 04 Jun 2023
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I've seen lots of discussion on reddit of users trying to get others to join Lemmy and the prevailing reply is that it is too difficult to navigate and comprehend. Having to answer multiple questions and wait for manual verification is combersome and is limiting growth at a time when nothing should be standing in Lemmy's way. Combine this with server/instance selection analysis paralysis, and you get my point.

The linked mastodon blog post sums up my thoughts, but the TLDR is essentially this:

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Don't let dreams of decentralization interfere with the greater goal of achieving the network effect.

We should all be telling people to go to lemmy.ml and sign up. The devs should be too, and they should rethink/remove the questions and waiting period. Hell, just put a captcha. Discussions about servers and analogies to email as an example of federated service we all already use is a waste of breath. We shouldn't have barriers to entry.

Thoughts?

EDIT: I've just found kbin.social and find it has superior signup options. It's just: make an account (email/password), or sign up with Google or Apple. No server talk. Upside is the layout is nice and it acts as a Lemmy instance (threads) as well as a mastodon instance (microblogging). Only downside currently is that their android/iOS app is in development and isn't ready yet, so desktop only.

https://github.com/ernestwisniewski/kbin

https://kbin.social/

I think this might be the better recommendation for newbies at the moment.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It should be by geolocation/language and to not confuse people, the instance should be a lemmy.xx domain by default.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

yes please. This is lemmy's time to shine. If the servers can handle the load and people don't understand the Fediverse just yet, i say let people be directed towards one good location.

As far as i can tell, after people join and learn the basic interface they start asking questions about the broader capabilities of the fediverse on their own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes! And the devs should then make a big blog post like my linked mastodon post. Then we can spread it all over reddit starting on the 3rd party app communities for Apollo, Reddit is Fun, Sync for Reddit, Bacon Reader, Narwhal, etc.

The users will flood in...just like good lemmings do

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it’s a great idea. Let there be an Ellis Island, accepting the tired, the hungry, the poor. As long as there are signs everywhere letting them know “you probably shouldn’t live the rest of your new life here, try somewhere else!”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If that's what we want to do, then there needs to be a straightforward way to move your account to another instance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think the way Mastodon is handling new users is pretty problematic. Not only did this lead to huge amounts of spam on the network because Eugen's instance couldn't handle the amount of new users, but also this goes against the very idea of federation.

Unpopular opinion: if finding an instance is too hard for you, maybe the federated internet just isn't for you. I see people on reddit still complaining about how difficult Mastodon is, and I'm sorry but if that's too complicated for you, just stay on reddit. Considering the level of discourse of both sites, I think it's a feature, not a bug.

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