Vegan

It‘s not all or nothing, if you had clicked the link actually you would have seen a lot of "it‘s not all or nothing" in there, I‘m not gonna cite it all, but here is one example:

But importantly large land use reductions would be possible even without a fully vegan diet. Cutting out beef, mutton and dairy makes the biggest difference to agricultural land use as it would free up the land that is used for pastures.

And fair enough, maybe you won‘t be convinced ever and happily chow down on beef burgers until the bitter end, but if it can convince some people to at least choose chicken instead or even just reduce their beef use as much as they can live with, then it‘s a already a useful study regardless of the holdouts.

They aren't useless. It can often be useful to know what the extremes are, as a middle-ground approach would lie somewhere in between. Like, if switching wholly away from animals would free up 3 billion hectares, would switching about halfway free up about 1.5 billion hectares?

Obviously it's not necessarily that simple but still, knowing the statistics at various extremes allows you to weigh your options, so you can compromise by combining various approaches at varying degrees and hopefully get a "good enough" outcome. The researchers here aren't necessarily saying "all you meat lovers need to just give up meat already, look at how much land we can free up!", rather they're saying "hey policymakers, if we reduce our reliance on animals by around a third, we can free up a billion hectares of valuable agricultural land."

Making animals suffer for my culinary choices is good, actually

Hope you don't mind if I hang your beloved pets up by their feet, cut their throats, and tear their bodies apart. They're just food so it does't matter.

Why are you on a vegan community, then?

Or not! We could have magnificent forests, for instance.

Why do you assume that exactly? If there's no demand for more products what do you want the land to be exploited for?

> goes to a vegan subreddit

> shits on vegans.

It seems to me the main point of the article is to cut out beef, mutton, and dairy. The difference between that and vegan is relatively small, according to the second chart in the article.

Also, where are all these sanctimonious shitbag vegans you speak of? I've known many vegans, and not a single one has acted that way. Maybe you've just met sanctimonious shitbag people, and their being vegan is irrelevant?

Imagine going to a niche subreddit, calling everyone in it a shitbag, and then using anything remotely hostile thrown back at you as evidence that you're right.

Let us live in peace, you're free to keep paying for tortured animal carcasses (and thank God, imagine how cruel a world it would be where animal abuse/killing was outlawed /s) and we're free to eat plants.

I don't go to meat eater communities and call out everyone there for paying into systems that abuse and torture sentient creatures, even though I would be just stating facts about what people are doing, not calling them names like you are.

A triggered carnist appears. Go touch some grass kid.

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