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I see a very small minority of people using Kbin, but I don't understand why.

Is this just a coincidence and did some people choose Kbin over Lemmy or is there a good reason to use Kbin?

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[–] tuto193 117 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apart from what has already been said (politics, basic UI) there are a couple more things worth mentioning:

  • Kbin's interface is muuuch more customizable than lemmy's: browsing form a web browser (desktop or mobile) let's you modify your viewing experience as much as any mobile app for lemmy (but lemmly itself doesn't). From infinite scrolling vs pages to font sizes and such.
  • kbin allows for (mastodon-like) boosting of posts, which is like a super-upvote that lemmy just doesn't have.
  • on kbin you can subscribe to mastodon users aka federate with mastodon. Something that lemmy also can't.

Other than that only personal taste matters in the end, and both federate with eachother, so enjoy it from wherever you are.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I was confused what boosting is. Docs said it's basically a repost/share.

So I think super like is misleading. Even if your super liking is the reason you share it, they're two different things.

(I may not necessarily want to share/share-promote hat I super-like. What I share is curation too.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So I think super like is misleading

It's literally not. Over here, on top of the "repost to your profile under your boosts section" functionality it's intended to have, it also counts as 2x rep for the poster. It really, truly is also a "super-like."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The presence or absence of that single word doesn't change the fact that nothing OP said was wrong eh ;P

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also the ability for users to block instances and domain like mastodon has, which is pretty cool.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a big one. There were some contributions from either instances or bots on my feed I didn’t like that I just blocked, and my feed is fine now. No need to ask for defederation of the whole community when you can do it yourself.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can block users/bots on Lemmy too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But not instances or servers, that's a much needed feature to de-porn my feed.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

There's also several contributors who are actively working on improving the settings and adding in new features. I've been proposing a few changes for the mobile UI, letting you change up the mobile layout but all of that things take time (and add complexity) so it's slow moving

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Kbin does a better job of putting new posts in front of you even before you have subscribed to anything, so I think it is easier to find interesting things to read. Kbin is newer than Lemmy, so Lemmy had the advantage in familiarity for people. More people had heard of it when Reddit's API drama blew up and that gave Lemmy a distinct advantage when people picked a new platform. Kbin also has some annoyances like not being able to collapse comments and vote buttons being at the top instead of the bottom of posts and comments. If someone has written a lengthy comment, I want to read through the whole thing before I decide how to vote and I don't want to scroll back up to get to a vote button. To reply to a post you also have to scroll through the comment section. In some cases it's good to see if someone else has already said what you are going to say, but in other cases if someone is looking for personal stories, you don't necessarily need to read everyone else's story before submitting your own.

Personally I have this kbin account and a lemmy account as well. My Lemmy server seems to go down more often and the default sort always shows the same days old pinned posts from my server admin that I can't seem to hide after reading. On Reddit, I didn't have to switch sort to see newer stuff so Lemmy comes across as pretty stale sometimes even though there is a fair amount of posting going on.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On lemmy the default is Active, which basically boosts any post that still has some recent chatter going on but is otherwise "stale". In the settings though you can change the default sort. I've gone with Hot, which is I think the default sort on kbin too.

Can you change the default sort on kbin? I could work how to.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

But Hot is broken in Lemmy, it shows old stuff like it's hot. The system is broken, but I think there is a PR on the way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've heard that the "hot surfacing old posts" bug is more prevalent on instances that haven't restarted for a while. It still shouldn't happen, but I don't think it's universal.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why I joined

  • had a more intuitive interface

  • had a better aesthetic

  • had a much cooler name

  • the dev seemed like a cool guy

  • before federation it felt exciting like being on the ground floor of something

Why I stayed

  • has heaps of cool features and functions that are easy to use

  • I like the Mastodon interface too

  • turns out the dev definitely is awesome and everything is very open

  • it has a really chill community

  • I still just like it more than the various Lemmys

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I tried both, lurked a while and Kbin just seemed a bit more user friendly for me. Nothing deeper for me, just a matter of taste really.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Kbin's UI is just better. I realize both can be customized, but I'd prefer not to mess around with any of that yet. Plus I know people on mastadon, so that sealed it for me.

[–] rayman30 21 points 1 year ago

Subjective. I don't like the UI on Kbin more than the Lemmy one.

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[–] DharkStare 11 points 1 year ago

I have a kbin account which I switch to everytime lemmy.world goes down and the only real advantages I see are the better UI and the integrated microblog thing. It's basically Lemmy and Mastodon wrapped up in a single piece of software.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think kbin is more promising than lemmy. The admin seems a good guy, kind and levelheaded. Since a month ago, before the blackout, he build kbin by himself and since then someone even volunteered to help him polishing the site.
The site looks polished but still in beta and they're actively ironing out hundreds bugs and feature request by us users.
Ultimately also the users are nice people. Many of us have donated money and right now the admin have enough money for nearly a year. Source: https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/177112/kbin-project-management-costs-financing-future-plans

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[–] Ultra980 10 points 1 year ago

It's like lemmy + mastodon - you can microbilor and boost posts and comments. But after using it for a while, I switched back to lemmy because:

  • ~~it has no API~~ AFAICT the API is read-only, so there aren't any apps (the dev is making one but I don't think it's finished and can't compile it)
  • it has some performance issues
  • it doesn't work sometimes
  • the UI looks worse
  • there are way less instances of it
  • it's written in php instead of rust
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was the first one I tried πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The UI! It's so much better than the other Lemmy instances. Also I can curse without getting banned lmao

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Kbin has a way better UI, but it needs better servers and having apps for Lemmy like liftoff makes me wait to get something similar before switching back to kbin.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I have both and prefer kbin from a UI side on desktop, but the lack of android app means I dont use it on mobile yet.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I like the UI better, like that it interacts with things like Mastadon, and, what was honestly the biggest thing, doesn't have a dumb auto-refresh I can't disable (which Lemmy did (at least for a while)).

They both have a lot of growing up to do. Not being able to collapse threads in kbin is driving me crazy; especially for long threads with many nested levels, I can't tell what is even top-level.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy got rid of the auto refresh you’re referring to. No more live updates.

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[–] Screwthehole 5 points 1 year ago

I set up both, and kbin was up while I couldn't get on world for 36 hours. Granted it turns out I had to just quit the app to get it loading but I didn't know that for a couple days and kbin worked fine

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Kbin also has Mastodon integration (though it's still being worked on and isn't in its final form yet), which I think is handy because I'm hoping that Kbin doesn't defederate from Meta, so that I can also still have an account to keep in touch with people I care about who are going to be using Threads without having to manage another account elsewhere.

I also prefer the layout to Kbin better. While the stock Lemmy layout is nice (it does a fantastic job of emulating the old.reddit layout), I like the fact that Kbin shows a little bit more text about each post. It also keeps more data public (like your votes and reputation scores), which I actually prefer being out in the open, as it helps weed out people who may be giving bad faith arguments in various discussions.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I like that there's both an update, downvote and boost feature. Recently the sorting / weighting mechanism was changed where boost = 2 upvotes so it's nice to upvote something + give it a boost so it sorts higher.

There's a lot of customization user wise also, I've been exceptionally busy working with the other contributors to make the mobile UI/UX a priority. There's been a heap of dev work going around so keen to see when that all gets into prod.

I've got a feeling that with another solid month or two of updates, tweaks and features that kbin will be really solid.

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