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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago

And what about very old enemies?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

What did it eat down there?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Did it need to eat? I kind of got the feeling that Maiar just "exist". Does Gandalf eat because he has to or because he enjoys it?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I remember a scene with Gandalf eating while researching the ring in Gondor's library. And he ate heartily in the Hobbit book after a long day.

[–] mercano 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Some of it could be hand waved as not wanting to bring more attention to himself than necessary. Humans need to eat, he appears to be human, it’s easier all around to act the part, then the acting becomes habit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So he does it while pouring over documents, in a basement, where no one sees him. Or the iirc large amount of food he ate and mead he drank in the Hobbit after a day out. Doesn't add up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tolkien absolutely would have Maiar eat and drink for pleasure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

He smoked for pleasure. I'm sure he ate and drank for pleasure.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Greedy and deep-digging dwarves

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

What were they supposed to do? Not dig? The story was rigged against dwarves from the start.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Orcs, probably

[–] Anticorp 3 points 5 months ago

Whatever it wanted to eat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Something that I find confusing is that if I'm interpreting the Silmarilion correctly (I'm re-reading it) Morgoth was defeated after Kazad-dûm was settled, so how did Durin's Bane even get there? Did he hide in a different cave system that just happened to be breached by the dwarves? Are we sure the dwarves weren't attacked deliberately? On close inspection, it's so weird.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hard to say, given it's a corrupted Maiar and mostly a creature of spirit as a result.

It's kind of important to remember that the setting literally becomes "material" as the Ages progress, the world only becomes a globe after the drowning of Numenor.

Did it find a secret tunnel to a deeper cave system? Was it imprisoned after the war? Or did Eru Ilvatur somehow bring it under Moria when he was globifying the planet?

Or was it just magic, and it fled there by traveling between shadows or whatever?

On that note, there's a theory that elves can see so far because the world is still flat to them. They are mostly creatures of spirit as well, but men and dwarves are not. Who knows how a Balrog really sees the world? Was it really awoken by something as crude as a dwarf being too noisy, or was it their greed that drew its attention?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

the world is still flat to them

I thought that was a joke.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Never underestimate how special and pretty Tolkien elves are!

But, yeah, mostly. If you assume Legolas seeing beyond the curvature of the planet is just a writer's error and don't insist every detail needs to be correct, but elves still don't interact with the world quite the same way Men do, and that's presumably even more the case for Maia.

[–] Muun 2 points 5 months ago

This makes me wonder... wtf was the balrog's day to day like all those years? Was he really just hibernating? I mean, the maiar get bored. I can't imagine being a shadow hellfire demon makes you suddenly never get bored.