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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned package managers yet. I feel like a barbarian when trying to install software on other OSs. Especially macs. I feel like mac software is collectively pulling a prank on me.

Whenever I try to help my newbie friends with computer issues I'll be like "uh just install croc and I can give you another command to run". But then I remember that installing software on a system without a package manager is pain. "Okay you have to go to this random github address, then download this specifically-named package, then extract that to a random directory that you'll never move it from, then you have to put that directory in your PATH variable." But wait, modifying your PATH variable needs its own set of instructions!

On a related note, if I could just give people on other OSs one-liners to fix all their problems it would fix all my problems. I could absolutely bang out a one-liner to fix your problem, but if we have to do it through the GUI then we gotta screenshare.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In theory, Homebrew should solve this, but I've just had so many bad experiences with it over the years, I won't touch it. All the problems you can imagine from trying to tell a non-techy friend over voice, without screensharing, how to do all that stuff you just listed? Brew seems to make those same mistakes half the damned time, and leave your system / the app in a weird, half-installed state. It seems like most app devs have come to the same conclusion and just make actually good installers. It's unfortunate that it's come to that, but there ya go. I honestly have no idea if that's a Homebrew problem or if it's just doing its best with what apple gives it to work with, but either way.

I've had better experiences with Chocolatey on Windows, but for casual / everyday use it's just so rare I need to install something that doesn't have its own nice installer, so I very rarely run it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The terminal.

Hot Corner.

Customizable everything

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, and this will definitely be a bit abstract sounding, I miss my machine not getting in my way. On Mac, it's the small things that bug me... You can't use Delete to trash highlighted files, you can't use the arrow keys to cycle through viewed images in a folder, etc. The way MacOS handles software installtions bugs me too, it feels like it's rather difficult to ever fully delete software you've installed on the machine, at least using Disk Images from 3rd parties. On Windows, it feels like the OS is designed to get in your way, in particular when trying to tweak anything in the Settings it just becomes an absolute nightmare to deal with. MacOS at least does settings.... Better, I guess? Linux is hardly perfect here either, and really deep settings will need the terminal, but they are there for you if you want them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I 💯 understand what you mean! The feeling of "in the way." I feel that the most on Windows for sure. It's like fighting the OS just to do what you want!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I miss my ability to break things by tinkering, strangely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

sudo Chmod 400 on root directory go brrrrr

And yes, I accidentally did that once

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Being able to install a compiler without having to spin up WSL or fiddle with the crap that is visual studio and its associated software.

Also parts of the linux desktop stack that are really good like pipewire, it's a pain to have to use 3rd party software to achieve the same things on windows.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

How quite my laptop's fans are on ~~Windows and~~ Linux. Whenever I boot into a *BSD or Haiku the fans go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!! OpenBSD would actually shutdown because the CPU got too hot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being able to login while being offline. I can't stand the microsoft account bullsh*t. I just want to access to the machine that's in front of me, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you're cool with having no MS store, you should try out Windows LTSC. It's the true successor to Windows 7, because there is no store, less telemetry, less of your computer telling you what to do. Also, you can still set up an offline account in LTSC because that's something a true enterprise version has to be able to do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

There's also https://ameliorated.io/ which used to be a custom prebuilt ISO, but now is more like an Ansible playbook that cuts the tumor out of vanilla Windows.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fast boot up times, computer not randomly locking up due to defender deciding to scan all the things and being able to run emacs as my window manager

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You're not kidding about the boot-up times. When I had a Windows partition on my main Linux PC, it was shocking to me just how much slower W10 was to boot-up vs Pop!_OS. And like... I use LUKS encryption which does make that process a bit slower, and it was still markedly faster than Windows booting up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Dragging windows by pressing super

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Since I do a lot of retrocomputing: support for more than a few file systems. I'm not just talking about what's available out-of-the-box, but what's even available at all to find and install.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The customization and tinkering for the most part. You can change stuff up in linux like puzzle pieces, change which things do which (like changing display server, init system, etc). Not only that, but changing the appearance on your desktop is a piece of cake on Linux. You can really make the desktop your own, something that I miss when I need to use windows for certain stuff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Middle click paste for me. I use Windows for gaming, and it's always felt embarrassing when I select something, and then have to go back to it later to copy it for realzies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One thing that I didn't expect myself to miss is Zathura. Everything else always seems cluttered by comparison.

[–] Draconic_NEO 2 points 1 year ago

I don't really use different operating systems except on my Retro PCs, I have a Pentium 2 and a 486, on the Pentium 2 I run windows 98 (usually only in DOS mode though, since it's running of a CF card and Booting windows isn't good for them) and the 486 I use MSDOS 6.22. The most inconvenient thing is not being able to easily download files from the web, also the lack of a modern desktop UI can be mildly annoying (though it's to be expected of any OS of this age).

I can usually work around these annoyances since I'm not using the Pentium 2 or 486 computer for modern work, they're mainly used for Games or archival purposes. Also some might say it's part of the charm of using older computers like this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When i use Windows, i always miss neovim, such a nice editor...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes! Im one if those people that use i3, tmux and nvim. I use a similar setup when on mac, but on windows its just clicking around and groaning due to lack of speed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

why do you not use neovim on Windows?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i find it not suitable here, since i'm almost never on windows, i can't get it to work how i want. I could be using it with neovide (which is how i do most of the time) but it's just not the same feeling since i don't have the exact fonts and configuration as on my linux systems, and i really don't want to take time configuring windows for this. If i need to have a code editor it's generally vscode or something similar (with vim keybinds ofc)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It used to be multiple workspaces, but with Windows having that now, it's just the ease of install and use of build tools.

Part of this is the existence of package managers, and part of it is just how well they integrate with the operating system. Using the GNU Compiler Collection on Linux or Linux-like systems is just so much less of a rigamarole compared to getting any usable set-up on Windows.

Another thing I miss when I go to use Windows is the compose key. It's so much better integrated on Linux. Mac's solution to special characters meanwhile is fine. Windows' just isn't.

Finally, and this is the biggest one is little power user customizability tools (yes, I know Microsoft has things made for this, but they aren't installed and/or available out of the box). Customizability of the programs one uses everyday and the overall behaviour of one's computer is an absolute must, but I understand why Microsoft moved Windows away from that model. Most people don't want or need that.

Others have mentioned it too, but Linux just doesn't get in your way like many other OSes do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The commandline experience. I feel like I can do much more within the terminal on Linux than on Windows. Yes, PowerShell is really powerful and can do almost everything, but it's just clunky to use interactively. It's clearly designed for scripting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Draconic_NEO 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's a big one, tools like that and file system support are almost non-existent on Windows, because companies figured that Windows users are willing to pay for stuff like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Honestly GNOME and GTK. New GTK styling is wonderfully consistent and nice to look at, I like the overview panel and always try to trigger it in Windows, and I just love GNOME's workflow. It's closest to macOS but honestly macOS still feels kind of clunky in comparison to GNOME.

Also I always get the feeling when using proprietary operating systems that a computer isn't mine. There are things that you just literally cannot change by design for "security" in Windows and macOS, and I don't like that. I want my computer to stop a process when I tell it to stop. I also really dislike forced updates and I miss the ability to tell my computer what to do rather than it trying to tell me. Fucky-wucky error codes as well annoy the shit out of me, as well as baby talking your users. "We're getting everything ready for you :))))"

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