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[–] ThePyroPython 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So the writer means Starmer pulled it from a fringe left unelectable mess of in-fighting (in a first-past-the-post system and Murdoch dominated press) to a left-of-centre party that's trying to win over as many voters as possible to get a overwhelming majority in parliament.

I don't like how centrist the current form of the labour party is, but at least there's a chance of them listening to us once in power.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

there's a chance of them listening to us once in power

[–] ThePyroPython 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well that's it. Once they get into power keep applying the pressure.

That's what the StopTheTories.vote group are planning to do with their agenda to get a form of proportional representation to replace FPTP once the Tories are out.

The only other option is armed revolution and good luck rolling the dice on that in this country given how it's gone previously (gestures to all of UK rebellion history) I'll be out of the country for that one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Once they get into power keep applying the pressure.

Yeah good luck with that.

The only other option is armed revolution

That's not the only other option.

[–] ThePyroPython 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please enlighten me.

What are the other options?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

It's always the same question of which is the greater betrayal: Getting elected on a platform to deliver only some of what we on the left want. Or promising us all we want, not getting elected, and delivering none of it?

For me, I don't find it hard to say which I prefer.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Keir Starmer retreats from the Left into a position where he can actually govern

Fixed that for you 😂

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

can he really though? his party is already fracturing and purging lifelong labour members for tories isn't going to help him govern, especially when the tory voters who voted labour in an election that labour only won because tory voters were angry the tories weren't conservative enough go back to the tories.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

you can't retreat from someplace you never were

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I only know him by proxy of listening to political podcasts in the USA. But this:

He infamously supported war crimes when he said “Israel does have that right” to cut off water and power to the people of Gaza.

Let's me know that he's a piece of shit not worth being scraped from a muddy boot.