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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Wasn't Brave always known to be shady in one way or the other? Which is why I never get why people say "remove Chrome get Brave" in 2023.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

A crypto company turns out to be shady? Who would have thought!

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes exactly. This is just yet another of Brave's long history of controversial moves.

Typically, these have been followed by the CEO going on a marketing campaign. The new users drown out the controversy.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

ye first time i heard about brave was in a sponsor segment on a youtube video, my first thoughts were "lol another chromium browser? rewards? bar? ok this seems shady as hell" and sure enough it is indeed shady af. the Tor mode had DNS leaks way back (besides who in their right mind would even use tor in a chromium browser), URL injections, brave not giving out BAT, also them spam mailing Brave pamphlets to customers (physical mail too, it was through i think UPS, which idk if that's technically considered a privacy violation, but to me, mailing someone a pamphlet out of the blue when you use their browser without your consent is quite literally a privacy violation, no matter where you got the data from or how you mailed it).

been gladly using firefox ever since version 3, best browser of all time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think they've been that shady, the worst thing they did was say "we're blocking ads" then said "You can show ads but only through us, and you need a braves token wallet" but else that, I don't think theres much, and when compared to the history of Microsoft and google, which are the major alternatives, that's such a small issue, especially when they also offer so many nice extras.

I mostly use LibreWolf now, at least for my main browser, but I do miss the instant access to internet archive and tor, but I think its worth missing out on, to avoid some of the creep I'm feeling from Brave.

Does anyone have a link to a list of controversy's that Brave has been involved in? I think it'd be good to know, rather than just going of both feeling, and 2 misdeeds.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Edit: My comment below was originally based on a faulty understanding of how EDDM mailers worked and a faulty assumption I based on that ignorance. What they did in reality is little more than sending out spam mail, it was not a privacy violation. I've removed the mention of the EDDM mailers since they aren't relevant given this.

I'd take a peek at the wikipedia entry about their business model, which mentions some stuff that isn't the most savory:

... Brave earns revenue from ads by taking a 15% cut of publisher ads and a 30% cut of user ads. User ads are notification-style pop-ups, while publisher ads are viewed on or in association with publisher content.

On 6 June 2020, a Twitter user pointed out that Brave inserts affiliate referral codes when users navigate to Binance

With regards to the CEO, he made a donation to an anti-LGBT cause when he was CEO of Mozilla in 2008. He lost his job at Mozilla due to his anti-LGBT stance. He also spreads COVID misinformation.

As others have pointed out, it's also Chromium based, and so it is just helping Google destroy the web more than they already have.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Just lovely, when you think you found a browser that works decently and cares about privacy...

[–] [email protected] 137 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Just use Firefox, it's always been the best out of them for Privacy

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[–] kbotc 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave’s been super shady its entire existence. They’ve been caught linkjacking and accepting “donations” for websites that don’t have accounts (so theft via fraud).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you are talking about BAT, you should know that creators can sign up to get the BAT owed to them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

How many will though? They are still soliciting donations without the claimed recipients knowledge

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Install Firefox (also works on mobile!), add uBlock Origin (also available on mobile!), done.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

*not on iOS **but soon will be due to EU laws (blink-based and gecko-based browsers will be available probably next year to comply with the law (yes worldwide, trying to region lock will result in 1) it won’t work anyway and 2) assdestroying fines from the EU for blatant violation)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if you are feeling extra frisky, install noscript to pick and choose what sources of js you are willing to run and/or be terrified/furious of all the non-relevant scripts sites run.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I actually did that for a while (on my PC at least). Major pain in the ass unfortunately.

Of course it's good to block that crap, but usability takes too much of a nose dive. I do live in the EU though, so when it comes to data protection things have gotten a lot better in the last years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I’ve been using it for a few years now and by now picking out the scripts for site navigation and finding the relavant cdn is pretty much automatic now. If I find a site that is just an absolute js clusterfuck, I just run it in porno mode and let the scrips loose and hope for the best until I find what I went there for. I even take the time to reject cookies manually as per my right, haha. Maybe it will show up on some stat somewhere, a flaccid message, but a message none the less.

What did you think of the recent deal the EU made with the giants? As an EU citizen I find it concerning, because it might be a slippery slope.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The browser is fine. Nobody seems to have read the article. It’s about their search engine. It doesn’t have anything to do with privacy, instead it’s about copyright infringement.

I’m not sure why this was even posted here. Maybe OP didn’t read the article either.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was suspicious as soon as I saw it runs on Chromium. I can safely assure you, Google is not focusing on privacy features there.

[–] 4am 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Chromium and Chrome are not the same thing.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

yeah, it is such a pain 😥. but hardened firefox 😏

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I just switch back to good old firefox.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The browser with fuckloads of baked-in crypto was doing shady shit? No way!

No idea why no one made a fork that just follows the original basically but removes all the “BAT” crypto, web3, all that dogshit, bullshit, annoying-ass crypto bro shit.

[–] nemesis_aorta 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Someone tried to do it a few years back and either got threatened with a lawsuit or actually got sued by Brave because of it. The browser was called Braver; you can look it up!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The more surprising part of this article is that enough people use Brave to create enough of a dataset to train AI.

I have a feeling that in a future AI society, one trained on Brave data would be considered special needs.

[–] gorysubparbagel 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This is data scraped from websites for the brave search engine, not data from browser users

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ITT: Cryptobros and apologists finding new and creative ways to justify the behaviour of a company, the head of which was ousted from his last position because of crude political views, i.e. not granting people basic rights.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How is this related to privacy? The whole thing is about copyright infringement…

[–] 4am 6 points 1 year ago

The Brave browser is billed as an ad-blocking, privacy protecting, champion of the everyday internet user.

We know they’re not, but they openly masquerade as one and so when they do something shady it’s somewhat relevant to put them on blast yet again. Just look at all the people in this thread alone that are like “oh wtf Brave isn’t good for privacy?”

I mean I’m sorry you’re not learning anything new from this content but we should probably be happy others are.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am not an expert and I am sincerely asking, but everyone who is recommending Firefox, how do you feel about DuckDuckGo?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

DDG is miles ahead of Brave. But the company behind it has a deal with MS to feed them user data. They're transparent about it and the motivation isn't nefarious. But still, it's a thing. Now obviously, FF has deal with google, so I guess it's more of a "pick your poison" situation

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article is about brave search not the browser.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave Search and Brave Browser are both products of the same company, Brave Software, Inc.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I got a bad feeling about that app when i tried it. Something about it didn't "feel" right. Went crawling right back to firefox after.

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