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US president says ‘immigrants are what makes us strong’ and criticizes countries, plus China and Russia, over migration policy

Archived version: https://archive.ph/ovD0O

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who's tryna immigrate to india?

But yeah all of east asia is anti-immigrant

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Refugees from Myanmar and Afghanistan are hosted by India.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I call BS. Modi's fundamentalist right wing government is speeding away from secularism towards religious nationalism. India deports Myanmar refugees who fled 2021 coup

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@tearsintherain I'm not talking about policy and Modi's posturing though, I'm talking about facts. Who is trying to immigrate there.

Browse the UN's India refugees website, that will tell you everything you need about the thousands of refugees there.

The Myanmar border has had hundreds of people over it this year. Your link says they just deported a few dozen.

As your link points out, India's like the US in that it's not a signatory to the United Nations Convention on Refugees, so their status is precarious. Nevertheless, there refugees in India, that's simply a fact.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, there are people fleeing largely from neighboring countries. I don't know how much of that is about choosing India. But religious fanatics have taken power in India. The RSS/BJP analogue in the US might be the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 and conservatives. India is down a very dark path.

What’s Wrong With the Indian Government’s Narrative on Refugees?

Indian refugee claims in Canada began rising after Prime Minister Modi took power, data shows

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah, yeah I agree with that. Modi is very concerning and the plight of refugees right now in India isn't great. Their children are also born stateless.

My focus was on raising awareness that there are refugees there. A lot of people don't seem to realize that most of the world's refugees are actually hosted in low income nations where they have sought refuge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I see what you mean. Yeah, the focus tends to be on wealthier nations, the west and immigration.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Thanks for the link to the Diplomat article by the way. It's a good article.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that modi's government is trying to deport immigrants doesn't mean that people don't want to move there - in fact, the fact the gov is doing so is the whole point of the article

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

An Immigrant is an individual who leaves one’s country to settle in another, whereas refugees are defined as persons, who move out of one’s country due to restriction or danger to their lives.

So as poster rhetorically said, "Who’s tryna immigrate to india?" is valid.

In 2021 and 2022 alone, thousands of Rohingya refugees were either jailed and deported by Indian authorities, had to flee the country, or had to go underground so as to remain untraceable within India.

Indian refugee claims in Canada began rising after Prime Minister Modi took power, data shows Experts say trend indicates 'Canada is recognizing of human rights abuses'

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Not sure why you felt the need to define both terms, but since you bring it up, note that refugees are a subset of immigrants.

But none of what you've said addresses the point I was making; the fact that Modi is deporting refugees (who are, by definition, a form of immigrant) doesn't mean that nobody wants to migrate to India.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think also some from Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, a bunch of places, those are just the two biggest population groups IIRC.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

Well... They are

[–] Philharmonic3 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What about Israel? They literally want to establish an ethnostate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think you mean "theocracy," not an ethnostate. There are Jews of all ethnicities.

[–] Philharmonic3 -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I spoke directly with a self-identified Zionist who specifically said Israeli is an ethnicity, same with Hebrew, and we want to establish a state where we are the majority, and specifically called it an ethnostate. They didn't make any extremist claims otherwise. They believed in a two state solution. But they want Israel to be an ethnostate

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Was this Zionist in any way representing Israel, or just a random extremist?

I have a hard time believing a Jew doesn't realize that Jews are among all ethnicities.

[–] Philharmonic3 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would not claim they represent Israel alone. However their words and those of Israelis from interviews in Zions Square line up with genocidal rhetoric aimed at creating an ethnostate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think the term ethnostate is a misapplication.

A vaguely democratic theocracy is a better descriptor in my mind.

[–] Philharmonic3 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't agree. I think ethnostate is the correct term for what they are trying to establish. They see Palestinians as incompatible with their state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But again, Jews are all ethnicities and Arabs (of which Palestinians are) are the largest minority within Israel.

I understand that complicates the world view a little bit, bit I'm sorry, your world view needs to account for a little more complication.

[–] Philharmonic3 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not my world view. It's Israel's current goal. I understand that Jews are all ethnicities. However, Israel wants to be a country only for ethnic Israelis.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Only for ethnic Israelis?

Part of the argument you guys are making is that the reason for the genocide is that they need the land so that they can bring even more Jews in to live.

I'm sorry, but I think you just haven't thought this through in full.

[–] Philharmonic3 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Who is we guys? It's just me here. And I think we are at an impasse. Nothing you or I assume about what the other has thought through or not will change minds, there's no point in arguing without evidence. So, good luck out there

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think you would rather your assumptions about the Jews of Israel be true rather than find out they aren't, so yes, by all means we can allow the conversation yo end for your benefit.

[–] Philharmonic3 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

At this point I have to assume you're not conversing in good faith. I have given evidence to support my stance. You have not. All you have are straw man and ad hominem arguments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

You need evidence that there are Jews of all ethnicities?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

they hate immigrants!

-country that hates immigrants