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[–] DevCat 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The headline is very clickbaitey. Here is the body of the actual letter sent to manufacturers:

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is sending this letter to advise vehicle manufacturers of their obligations under the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Safety Act), 49 C.F.R. Chapter 301, in light of a Massachusetts law that NHTSA believes poses significant safety concerns. That law, previously known as SD645 and now codified at Chapter 93K of the Massachusetts General Laws (the Data Access Law), requires open remote access to vehicle telematics.1 As explained below, the Data Access Law conflicts with and therefore is preempted by the Safety Act.

If you comply with the Mass. law, you may come into conflict with the Safety Act which preempts Mass.

While NHTSA has stressed that it is important for consumers to continue to have the ability to choose where to have their vehicles serviced and repaired, consumers must be afforded choice in a manner that does not pose an unreasonable risk to motor vehicle safety.2 In this case, NHTSA previously described its serious safety concerns with the Data Access Law’s requirement of open remote access in a filing in pending federal district court litigation that challenges the law. Alliance for Automotive Innovation v. Campbell, Case No. 1:20-cv-12090, Dkt. No. 202 (D. Mass) (“United States’ Statement of Interest”).3 The open remote access to vehicle telematics effectively required by this law specifically entails “the ability to send commands.”4 Open access to vehicle manufacturers’ telematics offerings with the ability to remotely send commands allows for manipulation of systems on a vehicle, including safety-critical functions such as steering, acceleration, or braking, as well as equipment required by Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) such as air bags and electronic stability control. A malicious actor here or abroad could utilize such open access to remotely command vehicles to operate dangerously, including attacking multiple vehicles concurrently.5 Vehicle crashes, injuries, or deaths are foreseeable outcomes of such a situation.

While consumers should have access, this may open up a whole can of worms, safety-wise. A nefarious actor could misuse the system to remotely cause a crash.

Vehicle manufacturers appear to recognize that vehicles with the open remote access telematics required by the Data Access Law would contain a safety defect. Federal law does not allow a manufacturer to sell vehicles that it knows contain a safety defect. See 49 U.S.C. §§ 30112(a)(3); 30118(c)(1). Furthermore, as you are aware, the Safety Act imposes an affirmative obligation on vehicle manufacturers to initiate a recall of vehicles that contain a safety defect. 49 U.S.C. § 30118(c).

If you leave a backdoor open and not properly secured, you'll be doing a nationwide recall.

Given the serious safety risks posed by the Data Access Law, taking action to open remote access to vehicles’ telematics units in accordance with that law, which requires communication pathways to vehicle control systems, would conflict with your obligations under the Safety Act.6 “The purpose of the Safety Act . . . is not to protect individuals from the risks associated with defective vehicles only after serious injuries have already occurred; it is to prevent serious injuries stemming from established defects before they occur.” United States v. Gen. Motors Corp., 565 F.2d 754, 759 (D.C. Cir. 1977).

Make sure you have everything secured, so only the authorized users have access.

NHTSA is aware that certain vehicle manufacturers have stated an intent to disable vehicle telematics, presumably to avoid the application of the Data Access Law to their vehicles.7 This measure has its own adverse impacts on safety. For example, telematics-based safety features could facilitate better emergency response in the event of a vehicle crash. Telematics data can also be an important source of information for safety oversight and field performance monitoring by the authorities and vehicle manufacturers. NHTSA often utilizes telematics data in its investigations, and the inability to obtain these data from vehicles with this capability undermines the agency’s ability to fully examine safety-related issues. In addition, some vehicle manufacturers have the ability to fix safety problems by remedying recalls through vehicle telematics, which will be lost if those systems are disabled. Manufacturers should assess the impacts of any planned actions on roadway safety comprehensively.

You can't lock it all down, though. We may need access to the "black box" data for review of incidents. You may also need to leave openings to third parties that provide legitimate services, such as On-Star, etc.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23846414-nhtsa-letter

[–] axtualdave 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

One of the biggest concerns is when you start trying to see secure APIs and such, you quickly realize that what you did 5 years ago isn't nearly good enough today.

And most cars stay on the road for 14-some years.

I bet I could straight brute force any consumer grade security measure from like 2009 with the phone I'm typing on right now.

How can we expect auto manufacturers to secure their systems for 15 years?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

While over-the-air updates are becoming a thing, it's not going to be financially attractive for auto makers to continue providing security updates for 15 year old cars.

I don't know what the solution it, but it's going to be challenging.

[–] axtualdave 2 points 2 years ago

I mean, based on the requirements, we're going to end up with essentially little embedded servers in all ours cars, running some sort of tweaked version of Linux with "drivers" for various parts of the car's systems. Probably tapping into the same things that the OBD port uses.

Hopefully, it'll be something like a Raspberry Pi that can be both easily upgraded and hopefully replaced during warranty service when the inevitable vulnerabilities are discovered.

[–] DevCat 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Part of the solution may be the GSA, Government Services Administration. When I was still working in tech, we had to guarantee 5 years of spare parts or replacements for all government contracts. GSA could start requiring software updates for up to 15 years. This would then become the norm and trickle out to consumers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Sounds good in theory. But the switchover to electric is almost certainly going to have casualties. Not every company will survive, which means a lot of cars will have no support structure.

Maybe have car companies put the source code in escrow and have it released to public domain if the company goes belly up?

Having the software in my car maintained as OS isn't a great feeling. But it beats not having it maintained at all.

[–] DevCat 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is especially true as the break even point concerning EV vs ICE carbon footprints is at 89,000 miles. Many of us consider EVs for the environmental impact, so when you add into the lifetime of the product, the need for upgrades to keep them secure, it becomes a serious issue.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/lifetime-carbon-emissions-electric-vehicles-vs-gasoline-cars-2021-06-29/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

89,000 miles

Looking at your link, the 89,000 number comes from assuming that you fuel your EV using 100% coal-fired generation. Who does that?

Using the "U.S. average energy mix," the number is 14,800 miles. Or at least it was back in 2021 when this article was written. Given that the grid keeps getting cleaner every year, I assume that number has continued to improve.

And of course, that's just the average. There does seem to be some correlation between states that generate clean energy, and states that have lots of EVs.

[–] piranhaphish 1 points 2 years ago

So what they are saying is it's okay to have telematics as long as access is only for those who they want to have it. The presumption is that the protocol/system is inherently insecure, so restricting it is the best way to avoid issues.

Classic "security through obscurity."

This argument has been made so many times in different forms. It's like the open source versus proprietary approaches to hardware, software, etc. But I understand it's a little different here because the implications of updating a vehicle's firmware is a lot different than updating your Roku. It's not as easy to implement security mechanisms like public-key cryptography on an embedded vehicle ECU meant to run reliably at all costs.

But artificial air-gap isn't the answer either.

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