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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Cycling around Paris 15 years ago was basically only acceptable if you had a deathwish. It's awesome that they made such huge improvements!

[–] TaTTe 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Almost as if it's possible to improve even the largest cities' infrastructure to be more human friendly. Almost as if there's no reason bad urban design should remain bad forever. Huh, who knew...

[–] whereisk 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A lot cheaper than building nearly any other infrastructure.

I haven't run the numbers but I'd venture a guess that it's even cheaper than maintaining the car bearing roads.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm always blown away at how people will not think twice when billions are spent on adding an extra lane to a road, but lose their minds when a couple million are spent on a bike lane.

I'd love to see a return on investment analysis done on something like this.

[–] whereisk 10 points 7 months ago

That's because they think you're taking away their road (the concept of induced demand does not make for an easy headline), and are adding slower vehicles to the mix that will slow them down and they have to be twice as careful so they don't hit anyone.

And to be fair, the bare minimum spend, badly designed bike lanes do both: terrifying for bikers and annoying for motorists.

It's what happens when bike lanes are a side project amongst "serious city business"

But proper infrastructure does not mix the two types of traffic except rarely and frees road for those that don't have a choice but to use a car.

[–] grue 20 points 7 months ago

Holy shit, that's awesome!