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The guys over there do seem to have a strong attitude towards the situation.
this post was submitted on 11 Jul 2023
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The Baltic states and Poland have donated more than their fair share
Counterpoint, Ukranians are donating their blood.
That's... not a counterpoint.
It's a contrasting argument. I didn't say they're wrong. That's a counterpoint.
For their own land
Russia has said repeatedly on state television that they wouldn't stop with Ukraine.
Who is this “Russia” person?
The mouthpieces of Russia.*
Meaning? Who exactly? Politicians? Media? Individual people?
D) All of the above.
Some very unwillingly I might add.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Please look at the baltic states, we dont want to be near russia ever again
Direct link to map
The Baltics can send troops to Ukraine if they’re actually afraid that they’re next.
@SolanumChillEse They are NATO members, just reminding you about that small detail.
And? NATO is a defensive alliance. There’s nothing stopping them from going in.
The Baltics are just perfectly content to let Ukrainians die if it kills some Russians as well. Not sure why Ukrainians have to die if there is an actual fear of Russia advancing further than Ukraine. They’re not a meat shield for Europe. The Baltics should actually nut up if they believe even half the shit they’re saying about Russian expansionism.
@SolanumChillEse Honestly, I find it very difficult to find your point.
These days it’s difficult to tell if someone is affected by Russian ”special combat propaganda” or not.
Conflicting opinions and internal hate mongering, i’d rather not engage in.
So i’ll leave it at that, I can’t make sense of what you are saying.
Can you just google before giving this kind of opinion, NATO members cant go to war if other members do not agree. Sending people to fight would be the same as going to war.
That’s not how NATO works. So maybe you should try googling a little harder. Otherwise Germany and France would have been in Iraq. NATO is a defensive alliance. You can send troops to Ukraine. Literally nothing is stopping you if you believe it’s a matter of national security in the future.
You soud like a real professional, you should lead a nation or two.
I at least know how NATO fundamentally functions before popping off about it online.
So if you are so well educated, why do you think we are not sending troops? Please enlighten me with your knowledge.
because russia has nukes, and sending troops usually requires a declaration of war.
Because no one actually believes Russia has ambitions outside of Ukraine. And if they actually do believe that and don’t want to send their own troops in, it’s absolutely shameful and cynical to be using Ukrainians as their human shields.
So when putin said in his speech that he wants to take back ex-soviet states, he wasnt talking seriously? And when he sayed he will drop nukes if nato troops enter Ukraine, he was joking? And why use Ukraine as human shields if we could give them more weapons so they wouldnt die?
He literally said the opposite of that.
But if he can’t be trusted and he’s coming for the Baltics, then you should be enlisting and pressuring the Baltic states to deploy.
Instead you’re letting Ukraine do the dirty work or you don’t actually believe this.
The entire war has been an escalating game of nuclear chicken for NATO anyway. If Europe is under imminent Russian threat, then you can’t be deterred by the threat of nukes. Otherwise you should just let Russia march through to Paris.
Sending weapons so Ukraine so they can defend themselves is logical. Sending weapons so they can defend YOU is shameful.
Personaly if it was up to me I would have sayed to join in and battle but who would listen to us simple people, baltics would not stand a chance in a battle with russia. So as, bot with our as single people pinion, we are stuck playing proxy war in Ukraine with russia. And thats why atleast we are asking to arm them better so atleast if we are using Ukraine as our weapon, that they would spill as least of theyr blood as possible. We are marching asking to help with anything we can, weapons, medicine, troops. You would say if you want to fight so bad why dont you go yourslef? And do what? Get shot instantly? I had my beginers cours in the military and i know that i know nothing how to fight, I just can leave it to professionals. Instead of arming 1000s of simpletons with basic weapons why not arm 10 professional troops with some of the best jets and best tanks, less casualtys less peoples lives ruined.
Iam leaving to eat some Ukrainian borscht, and i hope you dont ruine your day with usless bantering.
Yeah it’s strange to see advertising like this on public buses for arming a country and essentially putting politics of warfare on buses so openly.
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