Ann Coulter is just 20 ferrets in a trench coat pretending to be human. Change my mind.
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I thought she was secretariat's alter ego
MEDIA ALERT: Time to roll out the fake studies on low immigrant crime!
The one-man factory producing these studies is Alex Nowrasteh of the libertarian Cato Institute. (Take our country, just don’t raise taxes.) He fudges the data, slaps a false title on his report, and journalists copy his work like they’re Claudine Gay writing a thesis.
It is absolutely hilarious that the Cato institute is getting called out for 'shitting out bad studies' by fellow conservatives.
Setting aside that, this article portrays all of the studies are coming from one person. But that's not the case.
Literally just pulling off the top results from google scholar:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.2014704117
https://www.ojp.gov/criminal_justice2000/vol_1/02j.pdf
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0022427818799125
These are authored by different people, and they all come to more or less the same conclusion, that immigrants have lower crime rates than the existing population.
I take issue with your article's interpretation of the studies by Nowrasteh, but in the end I don't care enough to go over that when there are plenty of other studies confirming the same result.
How much longer are these shitty sources gonna be allowed around here?
"Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
The CIS analysis she cites does point out potential flaws in the data showing that illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate than citizens. However the CIS analysis is even more flawed and potentially misleading.
It criticizes the CATO institute analysis that it undercounts convictions of illegal immigrants that are later identified after conviction. And then it states takes the clear outlier that is the 2012-2014 data and states that (logically) because of time that these statistics are wildly undercounted.
From 2015 on though, the undercount is consistently between .4 and .6 per 100k. The data supports there is an undercount but doesn't support that we "just haven't counted them yet" despite the logic behind the idea. And despite this undercount, in 2016 the analysis that immigrants are convicted of less homicide is actually correct even.
Of course Ann is dishonest. She leads with an unfortunate tragedy to get an emotional response, takes an outlier in the data to make the outrageous claim that illegal immigrants commit 30% more homicides than citizens (leaving out the per 100k qualifier as well). It's seems she isn't interested in fixing the problem, she just wants people mad as hell about it. She also has inherit bias against the CATO study because it directly names her outrageous and unprovable claim that there exists "immigrant privilege" in the prison system that leads to child rape.
I don't know why I waste my time doing research for people, hopefully it inspires people to form their own opinions. I do think that we have a refugee crisis at the border and in American cities right now. Crime committed by illegal immigrants is definitely a part of it. Cheap political mud isn't a part of the complex solutions needed to address the crisis though.