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Why against multipolarity despite many socialist state arise after ww1 and even more after ww2 end? I ask this question because I see many people in r/communism view multipolarity negatively.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

I would say it's idealism in action. Being against multipolarity currently is by definition supporting the status quo. Sure there are valid criticism but again, the only real alternative is the continuation of USA hegemony.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think there is likely some western chauvinism element to a lot of newer leftists that are not in favor of multipolarity. The propaganda doesn't wash away from the mind so quickly for many. So they have a tendency to think Actual Existing Socialist states are not valid in some way because they have not learned anything beyond the propaganda.

In their minds, this would make multipolarity messy. Better to have a global authority to keep order. And yet they call those in favor of multipolarity authoritarians.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

lol r/communism is a mess, def have my views and bad experiences from them...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sure many lemmygrad users here can give you a good analysis of multipolarity, but it's generally viewed favorably here. If you are looking for arguments against multipolarity from the horse's mouth, this isn't the place.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Rainer Shea is a good communist on Substack and I like hearing his opinions on occasion. They had a real clunker of an episode where they suggested Multipolarity is bad and that the class struggle is most important. No duh, but how do we get to a class struggle when so many countries are dominated by US/Euro hegemony and IMF loans along with insane debt and skyrocketing inflation due to Western sanctions on much of the 3rd world’s trading partners? Sorta seem like Anti-Imperialism (aka Multipolarity) is the only way forward to even getting to the class struggle IN THE FIRST PLACE in most of the world

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Isn't rainer shea like a white supremacist fascist or something?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

No, he’s just a book worshiper who doesn’t acknowledge his privilege. (He’s a white kid who hardly considers landback and thinks rage against the war machine is the most revolutionary thing of our time).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. He'll deny it, but anyone who opposes decolonization is a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except that he doesn't, he constantly states that he supports decolonization.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He says that, but then argues for fascists like those from RATWM and denies that settler colonialism is the primary contradiction in burgerland. He's a 2-faced snake, an actual redfash.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

undefined> ad a real clunker of an episode where they suggested Multipolarity is bad and that the class struggle is mo

i'm afraid you have the infantile disorder

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Is your block quote supposed to be a quote of what I said somewhere? Because I didn't say that. If you're attempting to paraphrase me, the sentence is cut in a way that I don't know what you're trying to say.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yea and I stand by it, listen to the episode

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Lol, no, where did you get that idea from?

[–] queermunist 2 points 1 year ago

Multipolarity is bad and that the class struggle is most important.

I'm struggling to understand takes like this. If we accept that imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, then surely the contradiction between colonizers and the colonized is the highest contradiction under imperialism. Anti-imperialism is class struggle.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

I think r/communism position is that the current available alternatives to US power, that is China and Russia, and their largest allies (Brazil, Iran, India, etc) all fail the "is it communism" test and therefore should not gain in power. You'll have to ask them though.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

As a means, it's good. As an end, it's bad.

It's a nothing argument really. Some people are just making blog posts pretending that those who "support multipolarity" are going to claim Mission Accomplished once it's there and never be active again.

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