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A bill that would allow police in France to spy on suspects by remotely activating cameras, microphone including GPS of their phones has been passed.

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[–] sorenant 92 points 1 year ago

That's a good reason to riot.

[–] Anticorp 83 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The US federal government has been doing this since the 00's. Snowden exposed them and the public responded with hatred towards Snowden. Unfortunately the average citizen just doesn't seem to care.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t think the majority of people KNOW what Snowden was even trying to tell them. I remember when this came out and the news media was clutching their pearls over the act of leaking information rather than discussing the contents. I’m still learning about what was contained in those leaks to this day. It is so heavily propagandized that we need a new word for it.

[–] Baka_Mitai 11 points 1 year ago

Now those same people are saying it's no big deal that Donnie kept all the no-no papers.

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[–] Yoz 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mostly boomers who don't understand tech

[–] moustique 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s an erroneous understanding of our era. The younger generations are gods at liking and commenting on social networks, but they just don’t care about privacy. They flock like birds to litteral spyware just for a quick meme fix.

Not everything you think is wrong has to do exclusively with boomers.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Not public, propaganda. The public result was confusion and ultimately apathy.

[–] AlmightySnoo 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Guess degoogled phones with custom OSes will soon be illegal then?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Wasn't a guy convicted on france not long ago and the deciding factor the judge used was because he used linux? WTF is going on there?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern hardware is likely exploitable by state actors via firmware/hardware vulnerabilities that can't be mitigated at a software level.

[–] piecat 17 points 1 year ago

Ya just look at the Intel management engine. Or the AMD platform security processor. Lot of spooky shit like secret op-codes.

We need more open source HW.

[–] cygnus_velum 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How is this even feasible on Android or iPhones? Are they going to force everyone to download Team Viewer or something?

[–] phoneymouse 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone causally saying the government can just do it with Pegasus is ignoring the fact that Pegasus itself is an exploit. It is a hack, to breach your personal device. If I used the same methods to get into a bank’s systems it would be a violation of the law. Same if I created this software and gave it to you for the same purpose. Ask yourselves why it would be permissible to sell this software then commercially? And, why is it permissible for the government to use it to hack your own devices. Let’s not just brush over this discussion like it’s nothing.

[–] _wintermute 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody ignores the fact that government is doing something illegal when the conversation about their rampant spying happens. You may just be late to the party. We all know it's illegal, unethical, and immoral. It basically comes down to this:

What are you going to do about it?

We're living in objectively dystopian times. Our government does illegal shit literally all the time and gets away with it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are you going to do about it?

The very least people can do is talk about it and acknowledge it's bad.

Acceptance and normalization support the other side.

[–] _wintermute 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My generation has talked it to death. It's pretty agreed upon that we're being fucked and have very little power to stop it. Eventually you don't have time to rehash all the heinous shit that happens because you realize there's a constant deluge of it. Has nothing to do with "supporting the other side" lol. If reality has got you feeling insane, well, you're on the right track.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While this news article is, apparently, not trustworthy, in general, France could demand every phone sold in the country include some kind of spyware. Many sellers already add a lot of programs by default anyway, so this would be how I image it might be implemented.

Given that 7 people were recently arrested for using privacy respecting tools like the Signal messenger and Protonmail, removing that bloatware/spyware might then be cause enough to arrest you. After all, only terrorists want to have privacy, right?

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The whole world is going to shit

[–] Bingohas 11 points 1 year ago

This has been my view for quite a while.

[–] Random_user 45 points 1 year ago

At least they have the decency to tell you they are doing it.
In the US it took Snowden to leak this to the public that the government has been doing it for ages behind their backs.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is so much news like this coming from France lately. What is going on over there?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Huge wealth gap. Poor people are treated like shit. They're are hungry and angry. Historically, the French are quick to protest and the rich are doing what they can to stop it. I believe we're getting a glimpse of what is going to happen all over the world soon.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The oppression will continue until revolt stops!

Things didn’t go very well for Ceaușescu, so I’m sure Macron won’t repeat any of the same screwups.

[–] AttackBunny 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The oppression will continue ~~until revolt stops!~~

There. Fixed it for you.

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[–] AshTheGoblin 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

France, yall okay with this?

[–] Gazumbo 27 points 1 year ago

I'd say this is worth another riot.

[–] nargacu83 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't even reconize my country values for the past few months and yet it's only the beginning for the current government, we still have 4 years to go with Macron. Who knows what ideas they hold for the future.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

A Google search for "France phone camera" only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.

So I'm gonna go with "this is very possibly fake news".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This article doesn't link to a single primary source.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean how are they really going to stop FOSS? They'll ban linux and then nobody can use the internet.

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