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Border Crisis: Shocking Data Reveals Illegal Immigrants Outnumber American Births (www.youtube.com)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The u.s. birt rate has been declining since the 2007 recession. It also declined during the great depression. This is a failing of u.s. economic policy. There's not enough regulations on businesses and the middle class is suffering. Many people don't think it's responsible to bring children into the world when there's no hope for a decent future for them.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/

https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I keep clicking on these conservative posts hoping to find one worth up voting because I'm tired of the extremist left politics on Lemmy... but clickbait YouTube videos?

Is this just a misinformation effort to divide people or what?

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[+] [email protected] -7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough, I'll keep looking for conservative content I feel I can up vote. Fwiw I didn't downvote this post and did up vote your comment.

Just trying to balance out the radicalism on here, and conservative ideology does have some valid points.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah understandable, there are a lot of radicalized useful idiots on here. I've come close to giving up on Lemmy because it's an extremist echo chamber sometimes. People who clearly don't have much experience in life and a limited understanding of sociopolitical dynamics will advocate violence to get what they want. People downvote me here simply because I haven't closed my mind like them.

A couple examples of conservative ideals I like are emphasis on efficient government, limiting centralized power, ensuring personal rights, and supporting families as an important social structure. Capital punishment makes sense to me in cases where guilt is clear and rehabilitation very unlikely to succeed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is a good example of misinformation that only works by abusing the poor critical thinking skills that are quintessentially American.

In the first like...3-4 minutes, this dude is like, "Look! Illegal encounters have soared to new heights! Oh my god, the world is clearly coming from America!" Needless to say, a bunch of people are trying to get into the country.

Then, right after he starts recounting instances of...not exactly crimes...but of people who have been arrested and something bad that happened. He follows it up with "I can tell you hundreds of stories like this"....sure he can...

But let's assume he can. Go back to that chart about illegal encounters in Joe Biden's first term: 12,099,904 illegal encounters!

This is a real life math problem basically.

If we have 12 million encounters with migrants, and (let's say) 600 of them will go on to commit crimes, then what are the chances that any given illegal immigrant will commit a crime?

600 over 12 million....do some quick mafs...=0.00005. In other words, assuming we let all 12 million immigrants in, there is a 1/20,000 chance they'll go on to commit crime. So scary! I bet the crime rate of native born Americans eclipses that by an order of magnitude at least.

And if you think he fairly characterizes AOC's position, you'd also be wrong. In the clip he played, she's talking about the current undocumented population within the U.S., not so much letting more in. But then he goes to to criticize what is definitely not AOC's position from the clip he played.

Then he compares a country to a business. Anyone who buys into that analogy deserves to be treated like corporations treat their lowest employees.

God damn it, I hate this guy. He said earlier, that H1B visa applications had skyrocketed under Biden. These are specialty occupations according to the government. Then, towards the end, he's like, "Are these people software engineers? Are they coders? Most likely not." That's in direct contradiction to what he said earlier about the H1B visa applications.

There is no reason to believe anything this guy says. Even if there is a border crisis, any information from him about anything at all should be summarily dismissed until he gets his shit together.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What's happening here is a derailment of any discussion about sensible border policy, and a distraction from the failure of the border wall plan that a certain republican repeatedly claimed Mexico would pay for (that Mexico never actually paid for), by means of attacking ideological opponents with specious accusations.

The pattern of manipulative behavior used by abusive people has an acronym: DARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. So it goes like this: republicans aren't racist, democrats are the real racists. Republicans were just trying to protect America from a lot of bad hombres but dems are welcoming in illegals to exploit them for cheap labor and votes.

I see loud and accusatory distractions from the fact that the $15 billion border wall is regularly defeated by $5 ladders. I see rhetorical diversions around the fact that republicans regularly fly pro-slavery insurrectionist confederate battle flags. I see a strange fascination with the racist democrats of the 1800's, meanwhile in 2024 senator Tuberville(R) claims white nationalists are not racists and Rep Crane(R) refers to African Americans as "colored people" during an anti-woke tirade.

And in the accusation about democrats wanting illegals for cheap labor, "like slaves"as is suggested, never will there ever be any acknowledgement of the decades long republican effort of a race-to-the-bottom erosion of workers rights and devaluation of labor in this country.

Are the democrats so great? No, they are very terrible. The other side is also bad, and is gas-lighteningly evasive and downright dishonest about the part they had to play in creating the current situation.