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Title. In other words, sbc recommended/optimal power supply is 5V4A but I use an 5V3A instead -- will it damage or kill the sbc? The reasoning behind this is "an direct undervolting towards the system, for lower power draw and temps".

Thanks in advance.

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[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You’re more at risk of damaging the power supply, tbh. If the volts match, you won’t damage the circuits on your device. But amp ratings on power supplies are primarily concerned with heat dissipation. Amps are pulled by the device, not pushed by the supply. So when the device pulls more amps than the supply is rated for, the supply will potentially overheat. Because you’re forcing the supply to provide more power than it is rated for, which is potentially generating more heat than it is rated to dissipate.

But most decent manufacturers will slightly under-rate their power supplies for safety purposes. So a 3A supply may be capable of dissipating 3.5A (or more) of heat. Best case scenario, the supply gets a little warm. But in the worst case scenario, you melt the supply start a fire.

Many modern charging solutions (like USB-C and electric vehicle chargers) require devices to perform a “handshake” before power is supplied. This handshake basically has the device and power supply trade business cards, so the device knows how much power the supply is capable of providing, and the charger knows how much power the device will potentially need. And if the handshake fails, then the devices simply fall back to lower amperage “slow” charging. But this is only true for more recent connectors like USB-C. Older connectors (like microUSB) don’t require this. The supply might have a current limiter, but it might not. If it doesn’t, it’ll overheat.

Worth noting that in some edge cases, the voltage may begin to drop if the supply isn’t able to keep up with the power demands. While it won’t break the device, it could lead to erratic behavior. CPUs don’t typically like being under voltaged, and it can cause errors or crashes if the voltage dips. Turning down your system clock could potentially help avoid these crashes, since a slower system clock will use less power. But this will obviously slow your device down. So it’s a trade-off that you’ll need to consider.

[–] GustavoM 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thank you for your concise and well thought post.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think so, in worst case it will just not work at all. First think is that the recommended requirements are for 'maximum load', so as long as you don't load it too much, it should be ok.

Now I think you will be more concerned about the behavior of the power supply when overloaded. It can go from a voltage drop (which will cause your sbc to reset or shutdown), an output cut or the magic smoke can come out if the supply is wrongly designed. There are minimum risk that the sbc is damaged (0 risk don't exists) although.

[–] GustavoM 1 points 11 months ago

There are minimum risk that the sbc is damaged (0 risk don’t exists) although.

Let me guess -- those same risks also exists with a (required volts per amps) power supply? Then again, I'm planning to use it on an sbc meant to stay idle 24/7, so I guess I should be fine. Thank you for your input as well.

[–] owenfromcanada 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's partly determined by the power supply you're using. When you try to draw more power, what does it put out? How good is the voltage leveling? Etc.

I'd say you're not likely to permanently damage anything, other than maybe your data (if power were interrupted during a critical operation). Most likely you'd just see it resetting when it tries to draw more power, or you'll have wifi problems.

But with 3A, you might not have any issues at all if you don't have a lot of peripherals attached.

[–] GustavoM 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

When you try to draw more power, what does it put out? How good is the voltage leveling?

As someone who doesn't have any technical devices to measure such, is there a software/command for proper power draw measurement? That aside, I've switched a 5V3A power supply for a 5V1.5A charger (on a 5v3A recommended device) and everything looks good so far (even if chargers aren't recommended afaik). That aside, thank you for your input.

[–] owenfromcanada 2 points 11 months ago

It's hard to measure without some heavy equipment. A good indicator is where the charger came from--a cheap and light brick from AliExpress with a brand you've never heard of is probably going to be worse than an official RPi brick from AdaFruit or something.

As long as your device isn't drawing more than the 3A, it'll probably be fine.