I don't care who you support, this would be a bad and biased source
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It's also the only source that publishes. Oryx documentation indicates direct photographic evidence for 50% of the numbers listed here and when you consider that most Russian losses are in areas not easily photographed by civilians this is a strong indicator these reports have some basis in reality. That said, I agree these numbers should absolutely be taken with a grain of salt.
the source (UA general staff) is obviously biased, yes, but we don't know how good or bad it is yet
here's the original source (yes it's facebook): https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/posts/pfbid029Hp57mafK62hrb2gQMqQfL8inL45TErQCHSSQWgsBBGvLQZGW7u275LDutt7QZpJl
I’m deleting this comment, what I thought was just an observation seemed to upset instead.
Yeah way more Iraqi civilians died.
That’s a great point. War is so stupid. I bet the collateral numbers from this war will also be depressing
Yep, and as long as war is profitable for the US it will always be something the US is looking to engage in.
Think about WWII numbers. About 1,100,000 Soviets died in the Battle of Stalingrad alone.
You mean where the US and it's allies, with air superiority, carpet bombed the fuck out of civilian centres? Who'd have thought those school children and families cooking their supper wouldn't put up much of a fight?
How many people did the US lose in Vietnam or Korea? How many soldiers has it lost in Ukraine, even?
Fair enough. I didn’t think my comment would incense so many people. I just think it’s interesting how Americans think of war when they really have no concept of all-out war like is happening in Ukraine. That’s all I was trying to convey
Ah, in that case, I apologise and we're in agreement. I construed it as saying the opposite, that the US wins wars without many casualties (relatively speaking) because it's superior rather than because it learned in Vietnam that it can't win conventional wars and so now only targets places that can't really fight back.
I'm afraid that you may have walked into an in ongoing discussion as to whether the US military and NATO are forces for good or are particularly good at what they claim to do. People who dislike NATO and US imperialism can get a bit critical. You can't win though, because now the USians who 'have no [real] concept of all-out war' will be around to get you from the other side. 😬
It may have been different if the west had sent them billions in equipment as aid against the invasion.
Bad diagram: The comparison period is missing. Is it +- vs yesterday, vs last month, vs last year? Nobody knows and thats why the deltas are meaningless.
It's a daily report with totals for all the way up to the start of Russia's attempt at Kyiv in February of last year. The deltas are simply the change from yesterday's report, and so on...
These have been daily deltas for a long time, this chart comes out every day.
I believe the delta is 1 day. The Ukrainian defense ministry has been posting some variation of these infographics on Facebook each day since the war started.
this is a daily report. Yes it's not great that it doesn't say so on the graphic itself but it's a graphic that is originally posted in an article that provides the right context
edit: the UA general staff apparently post it on Facebook of all places: https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/posts/pfbid029Hp57mafK62hrb2gQMqQfL8inL45TErQCHSSQWgsBBGvLQZGW7u275LDutt7QZpJl
It’s daily
I would believe it is yesterday, since the day is underlined with the same color in the title EDIT: but as they pointed out the source of this is the Ukrainian forces themselves so i don't know how reliable this is.
The diagram is roughly, all Russian losses since the start of invasion
32 arty, that's pretty good.
Do the missil losses count the ones that were fired and used as intended, or only the ones that were destroyed before being used?
I believe the missile losses count as ones that were successfully intercepted.
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