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[–] acupofcoffee 44 points 11 months ago (1 children)

4 tons is like 1/4 of what an average American produces in a full year, and it happened in 1 hour.

[+] [email protected] -18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How far does the average American travel in a year and how many people travel to see them?

[–] bbuez 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Idk? Do the math? 1/4 the average Americans yearly carbon emissions, divided by? 1 hour? Thats like 1 American traveling and eating and driving and shopping over a whole years worth of time in 4 hours...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not saying I agree with the person you're responding to, but I think you're misinterpreting their point. They're not trying to do a comparison between yearly emissions of T Swift and the average American, but attempting to demonstrate that there may be justifications for the amount of emissions.

Their comment seems to be suggesting that with the extreme demand to see this artist, her job requires she travel much farther than the average American. You could put some of the blame on her directly, but equally, we can factor in how many people are contributing to the extreme demand to see her. If you were in her shoes, could you resist the desire to perform and please your fans (and get paid for doing so).

Again, not trying to support a horse in this race, just to explain the point in more equitable terms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Exactly my point. It's not just her, it's her and like 5 zillion people who are going to show up to watch.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago

can't she take the train, and be just 5 hours late instead ? without sacrificing her job of course. but no ..

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Sure. Now consider the math of how many people are in the audience of one of her shows. Assume they each drive 50 miles round trip, and add that to her plane trip.

Ok now presume that she's super responsible and doesn't fly, and 1 in 4 people from all the shows she does in a year fly to HER instead for her to have 12 or 24 concerts a year (conservatively).

Comparing her to an average American for travel is pants on head stupid.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

Keep using those paper straws, folks.

Every little helps.