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Australia's Mona asked a court to reverse its ruling that allowed men inside a women's only space.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/oHT6U

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[–] IzzyJ 15 points 6 months ago (16 children)

Because that totally won't immediately be abused for transphobia. Like, I get the complaint, but think through the implications for five seconds

[–] LwL 5 points 6 months ago (7 children)

There just flat out is no solution to gender seperate spaces.

Allow only biological women/men? Transphobic, issues for some intersex people, and you now have transpeople that are clearly not the gender their birth sex suggests in the """right""" bathroom, so even for transphobes this doesn't work.

Have someone stand in front and judge if people are feminine/masculine enough? Absolutely not holy fuck

Allow people based on gender identity? Any bad actor can just pretend. Absolutely the easiest option though, and imo the best one if we have to seperate them. Thankfully also the one usually implemented.

Allow people based on the gender on their ID? Still sucks for trans people as getting that changed isn't necessarily easy, plus assuming we don't havr someone check everyone at the entrance, trans people would be more likely to have someone complain and have to justify themselves. If we make it as easy as it probably should be, bad actors can abuse it just the same.

Thinking about how to make women feel safer in for example gyms seems like a better long term solution for absolutely everyone, but also doesn't feel like it's talked about a lot.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Thinking about how to make women feel safer in for example gyms seems like a better long term solution for absolutely everyone, but also doesn’t feel like it’s talked about a lot.

That's because it ends up being the bear meme discussion in microcosm. (At least every time I've seen it come up.)

Context - cisgendered man here, FWIW.

Every time I've seen any discussion of helping women to feel safer in any context, that discussion is full of men who are offended that women even feel the need to be safer, because they tend not to believe that sexual harassment is as common for women as every woman in my life has repeatedly told me it is. So the conversation becomes about the women being "oversensitive" (or similar euphamism/synonym), not about making the discussed environment safer.

I can't fathom why I'd give a shit about not being able to go work out a particular gym because women wanted a place to feel safe, unless it was literally the only gym within 50 miles. (And I'm doubtful that's a common scenario.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Bigots be like:

Women feel unsafe in presence of men? "Outrageous! NOtaLLmEn"

Trans women want to use the bathroom? "They will rape them because they are biologically men." OR "A male rapist will pretend to be trans to rape them".

You can't beat that logic. That's why the nazis like it. Next step is "black men".

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