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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (25 children)

I just found out about this debate and it's patently absurd. The ISO 80000-2 standard defines ℕ as including 0 and it's foundational in basically all of mathematics and computer science. Excluding 0 is a fringe position and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[–] RandomWalker 39 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I could be completely wrong, but I doubt any of my (US) professors would reference an ISO definition, and may not even know it exists. Mathematicians in my experience are far less concerned about the terminology or symbols used to describe something as long as they’re clearly defined. In fact, they’ll probably make up their own symbology just because it’s slightly more convenient for their proof.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

From what i understand, you can pay iso to standardise anything. So it's only useful for interoperability.

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can I pay them to make my dick length the ISO standard?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I feel they have an image to maintain, but i also feel they would sell out for enough money. So.. tell me if you make it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, interoperability. Like every software implementation of natural numbers that include 0.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How programmers utilize something doesn't mean it's the mathematical standard, idk why ISO would be a reference for this at all

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because ISO is the International Organisation for Standardization

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, but it's not for mathematicians. It's for the applied fields.

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