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..which nicely leads us back to my original point:
That's why I'm not supporting either side. I'm not as pro-Israel as I might seem. The only reason I'm commenting in this thread is to push back on the claim that they're deliberately targeting children with no other intention than to kill Palestinians. That I do not buy. Most other criticizm towards Israel however is perfectly valid and I have no opposition to it.
My problem with Israel is that they are showing complete disregard for human lives and are deliberately using hunger as a war means. That in my eyes is inexcusable.
And mind you, they are supposed to adhere to international law, which they don't. The high civilian casualties count only comes to prove my statement. And this is not just now, even before the war, IDF soldiers were using pretext like throwing stones to kill some kids.
Just check Wikipedia or any non affiliated human rights NGO with Israel what they think about it.
And I challenge you to show me a single human rights watch group, again non affiliated with Israel that portrays a different picture from the one described above.
They're more than likely guilty of all that and more. I have no reason to defend them for what they're rightfully accused of.
However I'm still repeating what I just said; one reason for the high civilian casualties is the fact that Hamas deliberately uses their own population as human shields. It's widely known and well documented that they intentionally place military targets near hospitals, schools, mosques, refugee camps aswell as in the tunnels under civilian housing because they know that Israel is deterred by it. Just imagine what a Hamas fighter would do if IDF soldiers used Israeli civilians as human shields. Do you think they would care?
Look at the video I posted above. Why were they filming? Because they knew the airstire was coming. IDF warned them beforehand by "roof knocking" They want the civilians out of there first. Hamas wants the exact opposite. There's a ton of videos like that where the camera is perfectly pointed towards the building getting struck. Hamas does not warn beforehand. Hell, even Iran did that before their massive missile/drone strike.
The Israelis are no saints here but neither are Hamas nor the Palestinians who support them. If the roles were reversed and people saw what they would actually do if they could I think they would have quite a different opinion on them.
Hmmm, explain to me the attack on the international aid workers or the three hostages that were killed point blank. Or how many soldiers have been actually charged to excessive use of force, because it is kind of naïve to believe this hasn't happened. And yes, I have higher expectations from a state that pretends being democratic who adheres to international law. Why is Israel not allowing international press in Gaza? What are they trying to hide?
Or how do you explain the widespread famine, or the lack of functioning healthcare facilities, or the lack of medications in Gaza?
You cherry pick some facts and make some wild accusations, which are borderline to conspiracy theories. Apparently you are also biased, so stop pretending to be impartial to this question.
About your roof knocking, I believe this is only used when they are planning to use heavier airstrikes, and not using a precision guided missile from a drone. And guess what else the drone has, C A M E R A S. And someone should have checked the footage there before approving the airatrike. And apparently that someone was either too ignorant to care about the loss of human lives of those kids or were extremely negligent. And in my books this individual deserves to be persecuted, because if you don't do this you create a dangerous precedent. And please point me to a single article that shows me a single IDF soldier that got legally detained or persecuted in this war. This most moral army. You can't, right, then use your brain and make some simple connections and asks yourself some logical questions.
I shall once again quote myself back to you:
I don't understand why you want me to defend Israel for crimes they've clearly commited. It seems pretty obvious to me that you imagine to be arguing with someone that I'm not.
Yes I'm cherry picking individual examples. That's exactly the same thing you're doing. Again:
For everything you criticize Israel for I can come up with equally damning thing Hamas is doing. That's why I'm not supporting neither of these religious extremist groups.