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Are We going to defederate from Threads (programming.dev)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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From what i see programming.dev still did not decided our stance

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I look towards the experts to try and form my opinion here, as I am not one.

Our stance: We have been advocating for interoperability between platforms for years. The biggest hurdle to users switching platforms when those platforms become exploitative is the lock-in of the social graph, the fact that switching platforms means abandoning everyone you know and who knows you. The fact that large platforms are adopting ActivityPub is not only validation of the movement towards decentralized social media, but a path forward for people locked into these platforms to switch to better providers. Which in turn, puts pressure on such platforms to provide better, less exploitative services. This is a clear victory for our cause, hopefully one of many to come.

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

I see that full blog as a "threads is good for the fediverse". I only look at and interact with local on this instance, but am generically against jumping to defederation because "no like".

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should be pointed out that the author of this article had a private meeting with Meta regarding Threads and signed a NDA. He is also the head of a company that receives funding based on the popularity of the Mastodon software. There may or may not be deals we don't know about, but he is certainly not an unbiased party.

Meta's business is monitoring and using online social networks to manipulate human behavior. Their massive userbase will cause Threads content and users to dominate instances that federate with them. It's more than just "no like".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I did not know this, thank you for sharing. I am going to leave the comment because it has generated some good discourse (and hopefully maybe more) and in my reality, I don't think I would even notice if this instance chooses defederation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I am completely in favor of defederating from Threads. My personal bias against Zuck and his monsters aside, there's the very real chance that he'll use ActivityPub as free content for his own product's growth, slowly adding changes to the protocol until the "best experience" is only via threads

There is precedent in the form of Google and XMPP. In another thread, someone argued in favor of Meta and replied to that what happened was simply "Google outcompeted XMPP by offering a better user experience", not realizing that his argument was actually evidence against Meta. Google beat the competition. Thinking Meta will work to beat the competition (ActivityPub) is plausible.

Remember when Facebook wanted to buy Snapchat, but Snap refused? Facebook then added the stories feature to FB, Insta and Whatsapp (the latter 2 apps bought in order to further consolidate its power), in order to bleed Snapchat's userbase.

We can't predict the future, but Facebook Meta's past actions all point to a very likely chain of actions (Embrace, extend and extinguish).