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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Well, as a German, I wouldn't agree. Generally, nouns describing men are masculine and nouns describing women are feminine. "Das Mädchen" is just an odd one out because it's the diminutive (always neuter in German) of "die Maid", which in turn is feminine.

Yes, this doesn't really apply to objects, but it mostly does for people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure, there's some correlation - but when 99% of words in a noun class can't have a biological gender it seems weird to name it after the 1%.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Well, you're arguing terminology. But the original commenter's point was about the association of grammatical gender with gender, and that is definitely a thing in German.

Der Arzt (Male doctor) -> die Ärztin (female doctor) is an example where the grammatical gender changes with the gender of the person, and that's almost always the case.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Child - das Kind - grammatical gender: neuter. Referred to in context using the gender-neutral pronoun 'es' (it). The pronoun used correlates with the grammatical gender of the noun used, not the gender of the person referred to.

Eg Ein Kind lacht. Es hat etwas gesehen. (transl: A child laughs. He/she/they saw something.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I know. But generally, the gender of the noun describing a person correlates with the gender of the person described strongly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago

Ok but my point is that when it doesn't correlate, it becomes clear how grammatical gender is independent from the person's gender.

It becomes even clearer when you consider all nouns by definition have a grammatical gender - inanimate objects, abstract concepts, etc, even though the thing described clearly doesn't have a gender. Eg die Tür ist offen. Ich schliesse sie. (transl.: the door is open. I close it.) 'Sie' being the female pronoun used to refer to the grammatically female door.