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[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

She isn't suffering for it. She can't leave because nobody wants her.

Israel isn't bombing a house to punish anyone. They are bombing a house to kill combatants trying to kill them.

That is why it isn't collective punishment. They are fighting a war and not punishing people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Buy your own admission they're denying food and water and medicine into Gaza. That is also definitional collective punishment.

The whole daddy's home system and the up to 20 collateral budget for strikes inside of Gaza also speaks to collective punishment

You seem to be operating from the theory that as long as there's any military justification, or rationale, it's not collective punishment. Collective punishment is highly effective from a military perspective. There is no denying that. The reason we say collective punishment is terrible, is because your externalizing the pain onto people uninvolved.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Buy your own admission they’re denying food and water and medicine into Gaza. That is also definitional collective punishment. They are not denying it. They just are not providing it. The US, Jordan and others are dropping food and supplies. Israel has not tried to stop that.

You seem to be operating from the theory that as long as there’s any military justification, or rationale, it’s not collective punishment.

You keep trying to define collective punishment as something you don't like and not by the laws of warfare.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I asked you to define the laws of warfare, and you link to the Wikipedia page about collective punishment. I quoted the definition from Wikipedia. This fits that definition. I'm operating by your own rules.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That definition doesn't fit the scenario.

Let's see you articulate exactly how this is collective punishment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You are trying to redefine the situation.

The situation is simple: Hamas declared war on Israel, and Israel is fighting Hamsas. They are not punishing anyone but fighting a war.

Israel's motivation isn't to punish anyone. It is to stop Hamas. Punishment has to happen for it to be punishment.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

@wintermute_oregon well...motivation can be tough to deduce, I can see why some people might look at #Israel sideways. But, the #IDF is largely not doing anything outside the normal scope of war.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago

People who have not trained for war or been in war, often don't get how shitty war is.

Now after this is all done, I do think the US needs to pressure Israel into dealing with the issue.

I am not going to pretend I know what the solution is but we can't have these wars every few years.

My concern is no solution will appease all sides.