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Desert Solarpunk is Real (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by hashferret to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Attempt at changing your mind:

It's not desert solarpunk because solarpunk implies a hopefulness for the future that does not exist in Dune.

Dune and Dune Messiah are tragic cautionary tales which warn against religion and the great man myth. It is supposed to warn the reader that religions take a life of their own and become a tiger that you can grab by the tail, but can never let go of.

On top of that it's talking about oil as spice. If anything: it's diesel punk just with an abstraction around the diesel.

[–] Pilferjinx 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The fremen meticulously conserved and saved water to one day turn the planet into a habital environment. That's pretty hopeful, I think. Frank didn't really mature that arc of the story and instead focused, like you said, on religious fanaticism and dogma.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Not sure how to do spoilers so I stay vague l:

Herbert picked up the water topic in later books and showed what happened to the Fremen as well.

I agree that it was hope that was very clearly - in the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Haven't read the books, but isn't Paul/Leto II taking the golden path ironically an implied long-term hope for humanity? >!Since it's understood humanity will die out otherwise.!<

[–] badcommandorfilename 17 points 7 months ago

Leto's golden path involves everyone breaking their dependency on spice (oil) and the only way he's able to achieve this is through a brutal dictatorship.

Possibly if humanity had better self control and wasn't constantly fighting for control of the spice (oil) then the hopeful future could be achieved without needing to remove everyone's freedom and stifle innovation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

spicepunk sounds like a kickass genre